Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. It is Trump who demonizes the left. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us whenever a fire broke out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. History dictates the shooter be a Republican. Have you paid attention at all to the last decade? https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
Probably not ALWAYS white Republicans. I’m sure somebody could come up with (at least one or two?) examples of shooters who were not white republicans. My point is that we should refrain from using the word “always” because that can be a divisive word that gets some people riled up. We don’t need any more riled up people.
Are you kidding me?? It's about time for the Dems to get riled up. It's time to get riled up to do the hard work that needs to be done to bring America back. Bring our allies back. Bring our respect back on the global stage. Bring our humanity back. Bring our Democracy back. We are going to lose what our forefathers bloody fought for to establish our great republic. Yeah...let's get riled up!
It's unfortunate that you have to say "white", put it in their faces, humiliate them. Anyways, if a black person attempted to come to their events, I am sure they would be profiled and watched very closely. Even though not the ones likely, statistically to attempt an assassination. Btw, did you hear that black universities were receiving bomb threats prior to the assassin's arrest? I hope corporate media covered that news. It's getting to the point that the white man is so embolden that all black ppl in this country are in danger because of skin color. All good white ppl must speak up and out.
Yes, I would've been really surprised if it was someone on the left. The left are the ones who've wanted sensible gun reform for how long??? Even though many of us didn't totally condemn what Mangione did (b/c we understand people's absolute frustration and feelings of powerlessness over healthcare being run by for profit corporations), Mangione seems to have liked trump, at least at one point, and also RFK Jr
Doesn't matter what the assassin registered as, it matters what his culture was. A label is just a label. He came from a family that worshipped guns and sided with the party that glorifies guns but calls themselves christians. How does the brain reconcile that as a young person? Add to that the constant online exposure to hate speech that Kirk and others grifted off of. There are many dangerous, twisted white minds out there. All true white Christians must stand up for what is right.
The sad reality is that we are failing at raising kids today who understand that their are consequences to bad behavior. There was a consequence for this young man. There was a consequence for Charlie Kirk’s hatred that has filled the stratosphere and there will continue to be consequences as a country unless we reverse course.. and it needs to happen now.
No we are failing in teaching kids Civics & History. Every High School Student & Parent should read Dark Money by Jane Mayer & get educated about being media Savvy & know that there Russian & Chinese Bots & disinformation is a real thing. People need to know that they are not American. They need to teach their kids that Fox News has “Entertainment” at the end of its name & they had to pay a hefty fine for lying on the air RECENTLY & trump is a criminal & as well as a pedophile ………
I don't see it reversing. Since Nixon and Gingrich this has been their strategy: to portray dems as evil, so corrupt they should never be elected ever. That the repubs have all the answers that their fake christianity is the way and their god has consecrated them at the true leaders Yada yada yada. It's tall they have and they won't give it up.
Yes this all started 30+ years ago because there were more Dems than Republicans & Republicans had a hard time getting what they wanted, a white Nation
It's beyond disgusting that the FELON in our Whitehouse has once again stirred the racist pot again, again, and again. Will HE or HIS sycophants ever apologize? NEVER!!
From the beginning, the elected Governor and FBI/Police had turned their investigation into a 5 star ringed circus endangering other citizens along with "suspects" who weren't the perpetrators. These actions made this horrible death more dangerous for all and those who were initially released since they weren't involved.
Which caused others to harrass and threatened those who were released by right wingers, and MAGA followers.
(In NJ, the commercials that show Jack Ciattarelli that he's out of touch with what Candidate Mickie Sherril has proposed.
(Former U.S. Navy Pilot, Federal Prosecutor.) She already has a plan to address the high energy costs NJ residents are paying by going after these energy companies on day one!
Sorry to digress, but another commercial of his just aired.. 🤬 He's definitely a "MAGA" in sheeps clothing just as these commercials say! He's run for so many other offices over the years and lost! 🤫🤫)
This investigation into C. Kirk's shooting was more like watching the old F Troop TV show.
C. Patel alleging he solved this case was laughable since this poor young man's Father is the one who phoned a friend who was formally a Sheriff and along with the Pastor turned his own son in, not Patel! The comments about no rioting said by UT Governor was assinine and definitely out of place!
Sounds more like a speech to "Küss meinen Arsch" (German
phrase) in the Whitehouse!
Civics and American History should be mandatory and taught in school.
I remember history classes taught in lower grade school and starting around third grade through high school. Otherwise in America, we could be doomed to repeat these bad acts forever! Never mind the phrase used by many "Thoughts & prayers!" This seems like a lazy phrase to acknowledge this bad act, but never ever solves these needless deaths. HINT, HINT for GOP members) The solution is easy. No one with a prior felony, temporary restraining order (TRO), or final restraining order (FRO) should own a gun. These pop up gun shows in many States or cases allows some to illegally buy a gun(s). Perhaps more ATF agents or detectives should be onsight to monitor these gun shows for compliance.
Enough already!
Thank you for bringing us all factual political news as always. 😕
Reuters: He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to voter records. He is listed as an “inactive” voter, which indicates he did not cast a ballot in last year's presidential election, when Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris.
He donated to Trump. I saw the receipt in Bluesky as a comment under a Meidas post. There are photos of him wearing Maga t shirt. Apparently he was a Nick Fuente follower who hated Charlie. They are eating their own.
Thanks for this. But, he did dress as felonhead for Halloween and also Pepe the green frog white supremacist meme. A leftie wouldn't do either of those things.
And yet he was clearly thinking something. With apparently a very strong emotion. Since he has surrendered, we might actually eventually hear from him, once the FBI lets him talk. Do not hold your breath... takes time to properly intimidate, brain wash and ensure it 'takes'. Sound extreme? Incredible? Consider everything you know about Trump and this FBI, this DoJ and tell us where that line is you are confident they would never cross...
Someone will have to confirm this because I am banned from Facebook, X, etc, but my soucres say that Tyler Robinson is a Groyper, extreme far-right Nazi.
Apparently, Kirk was murdered because he was an adamant Israel supporter.
That's my take. Kirk had a huge following, was an intimate of the Trump circle and was not going to quit asking for the files....until he was silenced.
Here’s an interesting question to start a conspiracy theory: are these young White males being “programmed” to turn on with certain words or sounds, through some psychological MANIPULATION, DEEP PSYCHOSIS that causes them to kill on command? Didn’t the CIA experiment with mind altering substances (LSD) and thought control? Are they the real “bots” of the Tech-Bros? Where are the investigative reporters who are interviewing this killer White males to find out what caused them to shoot and kill people; to find out what their triggers were? There was a lot more coverage of the Menendez Brothers than any of the “living captured mass murders”. REALLY, no body in journalism is remotely curious about what is causing this outbreak?? IJS
There are definitely people that they have manipulated mentally. Many of the school shooters have had some severe brainwashing. It’s all government created. The US government is the most evil thing to ever exist. It’s not something that is partisan. It happens no matter who is in charge. The things they’ve done to other counties around the world are atrocities and it is coming home to roost.
The US is a failing empire and they know it is. The globalists that control this country will milk us dry and then move on to their next host. They are parasitic creatures.
The people of the US are too brainwashed and selfish to see what’s coming. It’s going to be a living hell in a short few years.
Not a far fetched idea, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it seems to be possible. The young people of today spend too much time on TikTok, (Chinese run & owned) that a bipartisan Congress passed a bill to get rid of in the US. However, DT and his cronies has extended the deadline twice for a decease & desist by Congress! Wonder why that is? Ijs….
He was killed by the CIA/Mossad. The government and media are lying to you, like they always do. It’s such a farfetched notion, that this kid did it all alone. It’s not close to being believable.
Trump is fanning the flames of division with his rhetoric following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I believe that Trump likes what is happening to our country. Remember Jan. 6, when he sat around for hours watching the destruction of our Capitol.
He has never shown to be the president for all Americans. The man foments hatred and violence everywhere he goes.
I knew the shooter would turn out to be some gun toting Republican type. We should demand an apology from trump for all the hateful bullshit he’s vomited.
That's been the case in more of the high profile shootings than not, Candace, these are radical right shooters, while the left continues to be attacked. I don't know what it's going to take, but demanding people take responsibility for their actions in definitely necessary, I agree.
Yes Keith, I believe we collectively are better, but when you have someone like trump for a president spewing his lies and hateful rhetoric day in and day out for a decade, this is what we get. Since the republicans are heralding someone like Charlie Kirk as being a saint, maybe they will finally get off their butts and do something more aggressive than their usual "thoughts and prayers" about gun control.
The Republicans don't want gun control. Once they whip up the ignorant gun totin' MAGA they have a nice standing army, ready to wreak havoc against the "Woke".
He asked for more security for Jan. 6th and Nancy Pelosi denied it. He even pulled out the texted conversation during the debate, but why would you believe facts.
Thanks medias mighty. This should be front page news and all those idiots who were quick to place blame should be apologizing to the American people. No they choose to use it as a political weapon. Then the president goes on Fox News and says it’s the left scaring the right into doing these horrific crimes. This should be a day where he ramps down the rhetoric from both sides that’s a presidents job. But he is a dictator and they don’t care about anyone or anything.
It’s astounding how deep the firearm cult is in examples of families like this one…yes, I agree his father turning him in is remarkable and had to be difficult. Kudos
I am in full agreement with everything that you said. I will say though, that sometimes parents can’t stop what their children if they figure out what’s happening too late. There are also times when the parents themselves are training their kids to be just like they are.
Still, their son’s life is never going to be what they hoped it would be and that is hard.
Read Ron Filipowski 's daily report. This is what he quoted:
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
Their politics groomed their kid. A primary goal of vast numbers of parents. I wonder why the father felt a need to consult with their Mormon minister before turning their kid in.
Ron Filipowski quoted CBS in today's daily report. It indicated the pastor called the Marshals.
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
Can you even imagine how awful it would be for a father to turn in his own son? The father had to be devastated to even think about it and probably needed support to "do his duty". A shoulder to cry on, support that he was doing the right thing?
Recriminations, where did I go wrong? As Kate said, maybe he gave his son the first gun. What if I had not taught him how to shoot? Think of all the things that father has to be feeling and none of them good.
I welcome self introspection that leads to widespread changes but many of these MAGA cult members have gone beyond that capacity. I don’t view parenthood as being sacred and that all offspring should admire those who gave birth to them. Many people view such a position as being heretical.
I don't think it's heresy. Becoming a parent only requires having sex. Nothing more. Parents do not automatically command respect. They must also earn it. Many people are lousy parents.
Have you read Ron Filipowski 's daily report today? The article he quoted didn't say the father turned him in. Here it is:
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
TY No, I didn't see the report. That is now the 3rd different report made. I saw another one that said the minister saw the photos and called the father.
Kind of reminds of the game we used to play called Telephone.
I guess I will settle on the father and the pastor convinced Tyler to turn himself in. When the trial takes place I guess we will be sure about the sequence of events.
Maybe he was afraid his kid would go to hell. I personally think the kid saved us from what could have become a bigger hell if the young and charismatic Kirk had become more powerful.
They groomed him in this very fashion. Their idiocy and hate, fueled by the rights idiocy and hate are what caused this. It's Trump going to declare war on MAGAtards now? Is Laura Loomer going to call for all our war on Republicans? They own this, They own all of this!! Hyocrites and morons!!
My question is why did he shoot him? Yes Charlie was despicable and a hater, but it seems that this guy who shot him is part of the white Christian men genre. What was his grievance?
At age 22 and with a rather limited view of the world, his frontal lobe is not developed. Boys do stupid stuff. If you bring them up playing with dangerous weapons, they do deadly stuff.
1) Kirk wouldn't stop talking about the epstein files and was possibly paid to do this.
2) He's an accelerationist that knew Kirk's death would outrage MAGA.
I would not be surprised by either given the acceleration issue I've listened to on tiktok and the whole trump assassination "attempt". History repeats itself.
Exactly what I was wondering… here’s my comment: That’s some headline. They arrested someone, but is he really the killer? It had to be a professional job—1 bullet from a distance; and wasn’t Kirk advocating for complete release of the Epstein files?
A single, long-range shooting clearly indicates this wasn't a random act. Coupled with Kirk's demand for the release of Epstein's documents, it's hard not to suspect a connection. Arresting someone is one thing, but proving they were the true mastermind or just a scapegoat is another. This case requires a thorough and transparent investigation.
Here is a link to information that you may not have and may shed a little light on things(I did not know until it was shared on Substack a little while ago - and while enlightening, I am not sure if I really wanted to know!) https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/groyper-army-and-america-first
No, I was not aware of this either. Were these the political views that Tyler was espousing? If so it will be most difficult to blame the Democrats or the media for his alleged crime.
These groypers are scarier than the outright white supremists.
I always thought of Mormons being conservative; but, had no idea there was such an extreme group(s). I read most of the article; but, my eyes are rebelling so will finish it tomorrow.
I understand. It's really difficult reading just how bizarre the rabbit-hole world is. But for me it gave me clarity as to what this shooter's motive was and that he was not in any way a lefty...far from it, actually.
I just listened to Aaron and a couple of other of other online news reporters. And yes, the casings did have a message on them. Seems weird to me, but yes, it did happen and it’s a reality. But they were not anti-LBGTQ+ rhetoric, or fascist rhetoric. So the Washington Post original lie was propaganda. I will take a look at that article and see what I can see and try and keep an open mind.
The article starts out with the bullet casing and writing things on it. That is definitely a tactic that MAGA GOP Republicans lied about. I just can’t see this white young guy writing a message on the bullet casing. So I didn’t read the whole article. Because it smacked a propaganda.
What I took away from it was that this guy seemed to be one of Fuentes' groypers, a far-right-winger who disliked Charlie Kirk because he wasn't extreme enough. This is explained in the section "Decoding the Bullet Casings."
This is terrible tragedy on all fronts. But maybe, just maybe, guns and the second amendment are the poison in the well. What was the political issue motivating the shooter? Seems his background is more attuned to Charlie Kirk than leftist or liberal positions. What happened to this young man to tip him over the edge?
I heard/read a comment today that he did have something against Kirk. Sorry, I really just skimmed it, so I can't say any more. But it is highly possible that Charlie Kirk, the man, was the target, not Kirk, the political animal.
Interesting label… What is an “accelerationist” exactly? I have never seen the term before & I read a lot of, well, everything, but sad to say, lately, I’ve had to consume too much news media & alternative media sources (also unfortunately, because the main-stream media sources are doing such a poor job of accurately reporting the news, I do believe they’re afraid of Trump’s & MAGA’s threats, that alternative media is more often correctly & accurately reporting the facts).
So, does “accelerationist” mean the same as “Doomsday cult”, as in believing that accelerating biblical myths about the “Rapture” & the “End Times” (stuff written extensively in the book & video series by Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins in the fictional ‘Left Behind’ series? This is what I’m assuming that you are referring to.
Basicallt yes anyone whos actions are directly meant to further destabilize and break down society. Attacking power grids racially motivated attacks trying to.provoke retaliatory violence to justify .
Charles manson and ted kaszinsky are great examples of accelerationism
Thank you. It is a more succinct term to use to mean those who look for the break-down of Culture & Society in the furtherance of their ideologies. “Doomsday” means more religious or biblically based, I assume, as in the popular ‘Left Behind’ fictionalization of biblical passages in their attempt to bring about the ‘End of the World’, where ‘True Christian’s’ are “raptured” into Heaven before those left behind (‘Left Behind’ is another similar series of fictionalization biblical-referenced stories). This is the group who Trump flatters & hands-out small tokens of favor - such as Supreme Court Justice appointments who are anti-abortion & believers in the Christian Nationalist ideology. As you pointed out, there are other groups who look forward to an ‘End Times’, but it isn’t necessarily about a religious-based ideology. A good term: accelerationist!
Perfectly worded truth. Thank you for speaking our voices. You are so appreciated.
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. It is Trump who demonizes the left. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us whenever a fire broke out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. History dictates the shooter be a Republican. Have you paid attention at all to the last decade? https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
ITS ALWAYS WHITE REPUBLICANS
Probably not ALWAYS white Republicans. I’m sure somebody could come up with (at least one or two?) examples of shooters who were not white republicans. My point is that we should refrain from using the word “always” because that can be a divisive word that gets some people riled up. We don’t need any more riled up people.
saying 95% of the time it's white republicans could be more accurate?
Are you kidding me?? It's about time for the Dems to get riled up. It's time to get riled up to do the hard work that needs to be done to bring America back. Bring our allies back. Bring our respect back on the global stage. Bring our humanity back. Bring our Democracy back. We are going to lose what our forefathers bloody fought for to establish our great republic. Yeah...let's get riled up!
Wait...Sirhan Sirhan was a Palistinian-Jordanian. Does he count?
It's unfortunate that you have to say "white", put it in their faces, humiliate them. Anyways, if a black person attempted to come to their events, I am sure they would be profiled and watched very closely. Even though not the ones likely, statistically to attempt an assassination. Btw, did you hear that black universities were receiving bomb threats prior to the assassin's arrest? I hope corporate media covered that news. It's getting to the point that the white man is so embolden that all black ppl in this country are in danger because of skin color. All good white ppl must speak up and out.
Yes, I would've been really surprised if it was someone on the left. The left are the ones who've wanted sensible gun reform for how long??? Even though many of us didn't totally condemn what Mangione did (b/c we understand people's absolute frustration and feelings of powerlessness over healthcare being run by for profit corporations), Mangione seems to have liked trump, at least at one point, and also RFK Jr
Not.
Your Maga w NO brain... His family is MAGA... DO SOME RESEARCH, OH WAIT YOU WONT
Doesn't matter what the assassin registered as, it matters what his culture was. A label is just a label. He came from a family that worshipped guns and sided with the party that glorifies guns but calls themselves christians. How does the brain reconcile that as a young person? Add to that the constant online exposure to hate speech that Kirk and others grifted off of. There are many dangerous, twisted white minds out there. All true white Christians must stand up for what is right.
The sad reality is that we are failing at raising kids today who understand that their are consequences to bad behavior. There was a consequence for this young man. There was a consequence for Charlie Kirk’s hatred that has filled the stratosphere and there will continue to be consequences as a country unless we reverse course.. and it needs to happen now.
No we are failing in teaching kids Civics & History. Every High School Student & Parent should read Dark Money by Jane Mayer & get educated about being media Savvy & know that there Russian & Chinese Bots & disinformation is a real thing. People need to know that they are not American. They need to teach their kids that Fox News has “Entertainment” at the end of its name & they had to pay a hefty fine for lying on the air RECENTLY & trump is a criminal & as well as a pedophile ………
I don't see it reversing. Since Nixon and Gingrich this has been their strategy: to portray dems as evil, so corrupt they should never be elected ever. That the repubs have all the answers that their fake christianity is the way and their god has consecrated them at the true leaders Yada yada yada. It's tall they have and they won't give it up.
Yes this all started 30+ years ago because there were more Dems than Republicans & Republicans had a hard time getting what they wanted, a white Nation
It's beyond disgusting that the FELON in our Whitehouse has once again stirred the racist pot again, again, and again. Will HE or HIS sycophants ever apologize? NEVER!!
From the beginning, the elected Governor and FBI/Police had turned their investigation into a 5 star ringed circus endangering other citizens along with "suspects" who weren't the perpetrators. These actions made this horrible death more dangerous for all and those who were initially released since they weren't involved.
Which caused others to harrass and threatened those who were released by right wingers, and MAGA followers.
(In NJ, the commercials that show Jack Ciattarelli that he's out of touch with what Candidate Mickie Sherril has proposed.
(Former U.S. Navy Pilot, Federal Prosecutor.) She already has a plan to address the high energy costs NJ residents are paying by going after these energy companies on day one!
Sorry to digress, but another commercial of his just aired.. 🤬 He's definitely a "MAGA" in sheeps clothing just as these commercials say! He's run for so many other offices over the years and lost! 🤫🤫)
This investigation into C. Kirk's shooting was more like watching the old F Troop TV show.
C. Patel alleging he solved this case was laughable since this poor young man's Father is the one who phoned a friend who was formally a Sheriff and along with the Pastor turned his own son in, not Patel! The comments about no rioting said by UT Governor was assinine and definitely out of place!
Sounds more like a speech to "Küss meinen Arsch" (German
phrase) in the Whitehouse!
Civics and American History should be mandatory and taught in school.
I remember history classes taught in lower grade school and starting around third grade through high school. Otherwise in America, we could be doomed to repeat these bad acts forever! Never mind the phrase used by many "Thoughts & prayers!" This seems like a lazy phrase to acknowledge this bad act, but never ever solves these needless deaths. HINT, HINT for GOP members) The solution is easy. No one with a prior felony, temporary restraining order (TRO), or final restraining order (FRO) should own a gun. These pop up gun shows in many States or cases allows some to illegally buy a gun(s). Perhaps more ATF agents or detectives should be onsight to monitor these gun shows for compliance.
Enough already!
Thank you for bringing us all factual political news as always. 😕
Charlie Kirk HAD NO HATRED. Too bad you never listened to him. You would have seen that
You are hilarious
Read Charlie Kirk’s wikipedia page:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk
Agreed
The details about the shooter make me wonder if his motive was to deflect attention from Epstein and give the MAGAts more fuel for their fury.
The young guy was unlikely thinking that deeply.
Reuters: He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to voter records. He is listed as an “inactive” voter, which indicates he did not cast a ballot in last year's presidential election, when Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris.
He donated to Trump. I saw the receipt in Bluesky as a comment under a Meidas post. There are photos of him wearing Maga t shirt. Apparently he was a Nick Fuente follower who hated Charlie. They are eating their own.
It’s been proven that Trump actually lost the 24 election due to interference by musk and Starlink. This has been documented and there is evidence.
And did Trump admit that Musk stole Pennsylvania?
Thanks for this. But, he did dress as felonhead for Halloween and also Pepe the green frog white supremacist meme. A leftie wouldn't do either of those things.
i read he was registered Independent and his parents are Republicans.
No, his voter record shows “unaffiliated”, which means nothing really. He can vote all across the board.
Yeah, but see what Purobi posted. See whether you can replicate it on the internet.
And yet he was clearly thinking something. With apparently a very strong emotion. Since he has surrendered, we might actually eventually hear from him, once the FBI lets him talk. Do not hold your breath... takes time to properly intimidate, brain wash and ensure it 'takes'. Sound extreme? Incredible? Consider everything you know about Trump and this FBI, this DoJ and tell us where that line is you are confident they would never cross...
IF the FBI lets him talk. People have been known to die in FBI custody.
they gotta find their Jack Ruby.
Someone will have to confirm this because I am banned from Facebook, X, etc, but my soucres say that Tyler Robinson is a Groyper, extreme far-right Nazi.
Apparently, Kirk was murdered because he was an adamant Israel supporter.
Nope, this is false and this hasn’t been said that I’m aware of.
Don’t under estimate.
You are probably correct. They lie and make up terrible things that are all caused by the Right.
Remember, Kirk was pushing for the unredacted release of the files.
That's my take. Kirk had a huge following, was an intimate of the Trump circle and was not going to quit asking for the files....until he was silenced.
Kirk was pushing for the files but Donnie Diddler asked him to cool it, so Charlie started back pedaling and talking about other stupid nonsense.
for a while. i think he went back to demanding the Epstein files. could be wrong; don’t follow charlie Kirk. yuck.
I got you. Might have gone back, dont follow him either. Double yuck
Here’s an interesting question to start a conspiracy theory: are these young White males being “programmed” to turn on with certain words or sounds, through some psychological MANIPULATION, DEEP PSYCHOSIS that causes them to kill on command? Didn’t the CIA experiment with mind altering substances (LSD) and thought control? Are they the real “bots” of the Tech-Bros? Where are the investigative reporters who are interviewing this killer White males to find out what caused them to shoot and kill people; to find out what their triggers were? There was a lot more coverage of the Menendez Brothers than any of the “living captured mass murders”. REALLY, no body in journalism is remotely curious about what is causing this outbreak?? IJS
There are definitely people that they have manipulated mentally. Many of the school shooters have had some severe brainwashing. It’s all government created. The US government is the most evil thing to ever exist. It’s not something that is partisan. It happens no matter who is in charge. The things they’ve done to other counties around the world are atrocities and it is coming home to roost.
The US is a failing empire and they know it is. The globalists that control this country will milk us dry and then move on to their next host. They are parasitic creatures.
The people of the US are too brainwashed and selfish to see what’s coming. It’s going to be a living hell in a short few years.
Im inclined to agree that this should be looked into. ESP the P.Trump Shooter on the roof. Something is just not right there.
Not a far fetched idea, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it seems to be possible. The young people of today spend too much time on TikTok, (Chinese run & owned) that a bipartisan Congress passed a bill to get rid of in the US. However, DT and his cronies has extended the deadline twice for a decease & desist by Congress! Wonder why that is? Ijs….
It’s not the Chinese that’s our enemy. It’s the US government.
He was killed by the CIA/Mossad. The government and media are lying to you, like they always do. It’s such a farfetched notion, that this kid did it all alone. It’s not close to being believable.
Patel is a fool, the kids dad turned him in.
Pug eyed Patel is one if the Clown Car Cabinet of the very unqualified.
Agree! 🤡 the clown show continues..
I concur,
Is this what you want from your president?
Trump is fanning the flames of division with his rhetoric following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I believe that Trump likes what is happening to our country. Remember Jan. 6, when he sat around for hours watching the destruction of our Capitol.
He has never shown to be the president for all Americans. The man foments hatred and violence everywhere he goes.
Aren’t we better than this?
I knew the shooter would turn out to be some gun toting Republican type. We should demand an apology from trump for all the hateful bullshit he’s vomited.
Good luck with that, that man has NEVER apologized for anything in his life.
No, he hasn’t, and I don’t expect we’ll get one input I think we should demand one loudly and repeatedly anyway
His parents owe us all an apology.
That's been the case in more of the high profile shootings than not, Candace, these are radical right shooters, while the left continues to be attacked. I don't know what it's going to take, but demanding people take responsibility for their actions in definitely necessary, I agree.
We should all call our congressman (woman) and tell them they need to demand an apology
Yes Keith, I believe we collectively are better, but when you have someone like trump for a president spewing his lies and hateful rhetoric day in and day out for a decade, this is what we get. Since the republicans are heralding someone like Charlie Kirk as being a saint, maybe they will finally get off their butts and do something more aggressive than their usual "thoughts and prayers" about gun control.
No, they won't.
The Republicans don't want gun control. Once they whip up the ignorant gun totin' MAGA they have a nice standing army, ready to wreak havoc against the "Woke".
He literally is destroying our Great Country every single day.
100%, he loves dividing people and likes to watch conflicts and fighting. He gets off on this stuff. It's really sick.
He asked for more security for Jan. 6th and Nancy Pelosi denied it. He even pulled out the texted conversation during the debate, but why would you believe facts.
Thanks medias mighty. This should be front page news and all those idiots who were quick to place blame should be apologizing to the American people. No they choose to use it as a political weapon. Then the president goes on Fox News and says it’s the left scaring the right into doing these horrific crimes. This should be a day where he ramps down the rhetoric from both sides that’s a presidents job. But he is a dictator and they don’t care about anyone or anything.
Unfortunately he admitted today that he doesn’t care.
The Right was hoping he was transgender, black or an immigrant. Then the uprising that they are foaming at the mouth to start can transpire.
So right.
My heart is breaking for his parents and family.
I can only imagine what they are going through right now….
Kudos to his father for turning him in. But he was probably the one who gave him his first gun.
The firearm cult is a sickness.
It’s astounding how deep the firearm cult is in examples of families like this one…yes, I agree his father turning him in is remarkable and had to be difficult. Kudos
I am in full agreement with everything that you said. I will say though, that sometimes parents can’t stop what their children if they figure out what’s happening too late. There are also times when the parents themselves are training their kids to be just like they are.
Still, their son’s life is never going to be what they hoped it would be and that is hard.
Read Ron Filipowski 's daily report. This is what he quoted:
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
Their politics groomed their kid. A primary goal of vast numbers of parents. I wonder why the father felt a need to consult with their Mormon minister before turning their kid in.
Interesting thought you are wondering. What would be the advice besides turn your son in? Repent?
Support, sometimes having to do something that is really emotionally difficult alone is awful.
Support from a minister might be as simple as saying you are doing the right thing.
Cohen just said that the minister recognized Tyler and called the father.
Ron Filipowski quoted CBS in today's daily report. It indicated the pastor called the Marshals.
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
Can you even imagine how awful it would be for a father to turn in his own son? The father had to be devastated to even think about it and probably needed support to "do his duty". A shoulder to cry on, support that he was doing the right thing?
Recriminations, where did I go wrong? As Kate said, maybe he gave his son the first gun. What if I had not taught him how to shoot? Think of all the things that father has to be feeling and none of them good.
I welcome self introspection that leads to widespread changes but many of these MAGA cult members have gone beyond that capacity. I don’t view parenthood as being sacred and that all offspring should admire those who gave birth to them. Many people view such a position as being heretical.
How can "Honor thy father and thy mother" be heretical? It's one of the 10 Commandments.
I don't think it's heresy. Becoming a parent only requires having sex. Nothing more. Parents do not automatically command respect. They must also earn it. Many people are lousy parents.
Have you read Ron Filipowski 's daily report today? The article he quoted didn't say the father turned him in. Here it is:
CBS: “The father of the 22-year-old charged in the Charlie Kirk killing saw the photos released by authorities and confronted his son. Robinson admitted to his dad that he was the person in the photos. His father urged him to turn himself in, but the son said he'd rather commit suicide. The father called a pastor who knows the son; the pastor called the US Marshals and other law enforcement agencies.”
TY No, I didn't see the report. That is now the 3rd different report made. I saw another one that said the minister saw the photos and called the father.
Kind of reminds of the game we used to play called Telephone.
I guess I will settle on the father and the pastor convinced Tyler to turn himself in. When the trial takes place I guess we will be sure about the sequence of events.
Maybe he was afraid his kid would go to hell. I personally think the kid saved us from what could have become a bigger hell if the young and charismatic Kirk had become more powerful.
Forever changed. Just like every family (victim’s or suspect’s) involved in gun violence 😢
They groomed him in this very fashion. Their idiocy and hate, fueled by the rights idiocy and hate are what caused this. It's Trump going to declare war on MAGAtards now? Is Laura Loomer going to call for all our war on Republicans? They own this, They own all of this!! Hyocrites and morons!!
Maybe rethinking all the family time spent with oversized firearms?
Cannot listen to the president back down and Patel give his rah rah fbi crap more than once! Stay safe
Thank you for this clear recitation of what is really happening and how it went down.
I appreciate you guys so damn much.
So let’s hear some apologies from these idiots threatening all democrats
I think it will be a long wait. Now they have to twist everything around in a different way to make the Democrats responsible.
My question is why did he shoot him? Yes Charlie was despicable and a hater, but it seems that this guy who shot him is part of the white Christian men genre. What was his grievance?
At age 22 and with a rather limited view of the world, his frontal lobe is not developed. Boys do stupid stuff. If you bring them up playing with dangerous weapons, they do deadly stuff.
Gun culture is the medium that grows gun killings. Duh.
So very sad 😢
One of two plausible reasons:
1) Kirk wouldn't stop talking about the epstein files and was possibly paid to do this.
2) He's an accelerationist that knew Kirk's death would outrage MAGA.
I would not be surprised by either given the acceleration issue I've listened to on tiktok and the whole trump assassination "attempt". History repeats itself.
Please, let's not sow more division with conspiracy theories. That is unworthy of this forum.
Sometimes "conspiracy theories" become facts. Witness the Wuhan Lab "conspiracy theory" which has now been shown to be highly likely.
That is still up for debate. Continue reading.
Exactly what I was wondering… here’s my comment: That’s some headline. They arrested someone, but is he really the killer? It had to be a professional job—1 bullet from a distance; and wasn’t Kirk advocating for complete release of the Epstein files?
A single, long-range shooting clearly indicates this wasn't a random act. Coupled with Kirk's demand for the release of Epstein's documents, it's hard not to suspect a connection. Arresting someone is one thing, but proving they were the true mastermind or just a scapegoat is another. This case requires a thorough and transparent investigation.
Hatred of his father and anger at being forced to adhere to white male MAGA toxic norms. Just had to throw that non-fact based idea out there.
One report I read said that Tyler had been voicing some political views that were disturbing. It didn't go into detail and say what they were.
Here is a link to information that you may not have and may shed a little light on things(I did not know until it was shared on Substack a little while ago - and while enlightening, I am not sure if I really wanted to know!) https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/groyper-army-and-america-first
No, I was not aware of this either. Were these the political views that Tyler was espousing? If so it will be most difficult to blame the Democrats or the media for his alleged crime.
These groypers are scarier than the outright white supremists.
Why do you throw out "non fact-based" ideas? That' is just more speculation, more rhetoric, divisive, conspiracy theory crap.
I think this article explains it best:
https://northdenvernews.com/the-charlie-kirk-assassination-decoding-the-bullet-casings-in-americas-far-right-heartland/
I always thought of Mormons being conservative; but, had no idea there was such an extreme group(s). I read most of the article; but, my eyes are rebelling so will finish it tomorrow.
TY for posting that.
I understand. It's really difficult reading just how bizarre the rabbit-hole world is. But for me it gave me clarity as to what this shooter's motive was and that he was not in any way a lefty...far from it, actually.
I just listened to Aaron and a couple of other of other online news reporters. And yes, the casings did have a message on them. Seems weird to me, but yes, it did happen and it’s a reality. But they were not anti-LBGTQ+ rhetoric, or fascist rhetoric. So the Washington Post original lie was propaganda. I will take a look at that article and see what I can see and try and keep an open mind.
It turns out these etchings were words and phrases from a video game called Helldivers2
The article starts out with the bullet casing and writing things on it. That is definitely a tactic that MAGA GOP Republicans lied about. I just can’t see this white young guy writing a message on the bullet casing. So I didn’t read the whole article. Because it smacked a propaganda.
What I took away from it was that this guy seemed to be one of Fuentes' groypers, a far-right-winger who disliked Charlie Kirk because he wasn't extreme enough. This is explained in the section "Decoding the Bullet Casings."
The messages etched on the bullet casings are from a videogame called Helldivers2. Nothing weird or mysterious. A gamers inside joke.
I get the feeling that the shooters family may feel Donvict will pardon him so they were alright with turning him in.
I'm not surprised who the shooter is. The MAGAts STILL won't see GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM/CAUSE of the deaths. Crazy Kash is a complete buffoon!
Kash is incompetent like the President and the rest of the Administration.
Kakistocracy.
This is terrible tragedy on all fronts. But maybe, just maybe, guns and the second amendment are the poison in the well. What was the political issue motivating the shooter? Seems his background is more attuned to Charlie Kirk than leftist or liberal positions. What happened to this young man to tip him over the edge?
See my comment above. This might be against Charlie Kirk, the man, for some perceived slight/reason.
Wow! Patel STILL trying to put a political spin on something that does not look good for MAGA if you want to do political spin.
This kid was an accelerationist
I agree this is highly likely. He knew taking out Charlie Kirk would rile up MAGA, especially given that he was surrounded by MAGA.
I heard/read a comment today that he did have something against Kirk. Sorry, I really just skimmed it, so I can't say any more. But it is highly possible that Charlie Kirk, the man, was the target, not Kirk, the political animal.
Interesting label… What is an “accelerationist” exactly? I have never seen the term before & I read a lot of, well, everything, but sad to say, lately, I’ve had to consume too much news media & alternative media sources (also unfortunately, because the main-stream media sources are doing such a poor job of accurately reporting the news, I do believe they’re afraid of Trump’s & MAGA’s threats, that alternative media is more often correctly & accurately reporting the facts).
So, does “accelerationist” mean the same as “Doomsday cult”, as in believing that accelerating biblical myths about the “Rapture” & the “End Times” (stuff written extensively in the book & video series by Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins in the fictional ‘Left Behind’ series? This is what I’m assuming that you are referring to.
Basicallt yes anyone whos actions are directly meant to further destabilize and break down society. Attacking power grids racially motivated attacks trying to.provoke retaliatory violence to justify .
Charles manson and ted kaszinsky are great examples of accelerationism
Thank you. It is a more succinct term to use to mean those who look for the break-down of Culture & Society in the furtherance of their ideologies. “Doomsday” means more religious or biblically based, I assume, as in the popular ‘Left Behind’ fictionalization of biblical passages in their attempt to bring about the ‘End of the World’, where ‘True Christian’s’ are “raptured” into Heaven before those left behind (‘Left Behind’ is another similar series of fictionalization biblical-referenced stories). This is the group who Trump flatters & hands-out small tokens of favor - such as Supreme Court Justice appointments who are anti-abortion & believers in the Christian Nationalist ideology. As you pointed out, there are other groups who look forward to an ‘End Times’, but it isn’t necessarily about a religious-based ideology. A good term: accelerationist!
The shooter likely had a perverted sense of entitlement, as all of these angry, white Trumpers do.