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Amber Owens's avatar

If trump insists he didn't do something, you know damn well he definitely did it.

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

Yep. Every Trump denial is a confession.

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David Maceira's avatar

To a crime...

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Barbara M's avatar

Agree👍

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Anne Marie's avatar

My thoughts exactly. This is the strongest indication yet that Trump killed Epstein.

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FrankandBeans's avatar

It is well documented that Trump has ties to the Italian and Russian mafias. No doubt he could have easily asked them for a “favor”. He was President when Epstein died. NO DOUBT Trump wanted to make sure nothing was said about him at the trial.

Also, he just pardoned two men in Texas, the Sotelo brothers, who were tied to organized crime. No one is reporting on that. I accidentally found it by looking up Trump pardons.

A favor for a favor? I really believe this is the case. Maybe not specifically tied to the Sotelo brothers, but I guarantee he’s been doing favors for his “friends”.

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SFGal's avatar

Thanks for the Sotelo brothers info I'll have to research! Incredible!

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FrankandBeans's avatar

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemency-grants-president-donald-j-trump-2025-present

And while he’s deporting brown people for being gang members and drug dealers, check out his list.

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Kathy Gallegos's avatar

Trump is using the cartels and the traffickers, there is money involved, he wants to pretend he is tough on brown people so he attacks the innocent, but uses the criminals to his advantage. Trump the pedophile is a murderer!

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FrankandBeans's avatar

I am beginning to think that Democrats need to start developing a relationship with tinfoil hats. The Republican Party has tinfoiled the shit out of us and raised the bar to a measure where maybe some things just don’t sound that insane anymore? I’ll give you an example:

The fact that Trump is telling the homeless people to get out of DC, with no exception for people who lost their shit fighting for this country and this country failed them. And now? Now, they are nothing more than vermin. Do you know who else is a burden? Gross? Poor people. You’re next. It doesn’t matter if you voted for him or not. You have no value. You cost more than you make. Mark my words. Old people. That’s why he got rid of Medicaid. Because that’s what he really just did. I am sorry for those of you who were tricked. Trump can do whatever he wants. There is no one left to stop him. If you’re not rich, you aren’t worth anything. And, the richer you are, the more you’re worth. Mockingjay, anyone?

https://youtu.be/k9RweR9EUSg?si=ZwYa2xXKsHf-1ubI

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SFGal's avatar

Hey, thanks for the link and video. Interesting!

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SFGal's avatar

OMG! Just scrolling through the pardons list makes me sick! It's astounding and don't know if I can actually read it all, but will archive for future reference. Thank you so much. Take care.

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FrankandBeans's avatar

And here is a really good documentary on it. It’s not terribly long. 45ish minutes.

https://youtu.be/DEseiA72yVM?si=hSyzWCcMcenM7Noi

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SFGal's avatar

Cool! I'll watch it a little later! Irony that the opening scene of an NYC street features the Golden Arches! How fitting!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Surprising that he hasn't replaced the columns at the WH yet with golden arches. Ooops, that may be next, my bad ...

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Denise's avatar

Undoubtedly doing favors for his "friends!" Why else would ppl who have helped him spread conspiracies and outright lies now be in his cabinet, or get lucrative govt contracts? Everyone understands that his every action is transactional. Never based on morality (he has no moral sense), nor compassion (likewise). His biggest concern is always "What's in it for me?" The calculus is the same, whether the result would squash a negative outcome (disgrace, impeachment w/ conviction this time,) or enhance a positive personal result (more riches!)

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Like destroying democracy.

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patti sepich's avatar

And every accusation an admission of his own guilt

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Carolyn's avatar

Had him killed, I think. I believe Bill Barr has full knowledge of what happened.

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Susan Paquette's avatar

Which makes Bill Barr the next likely "suicide" - he should steer clear of 6th floor windows!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

The next "truth" out of Cheeto's mouth will be that Epstein died falling out of a window or off a balcony.

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Helen Stajninger's avatar

Carolyn, I have always thought Bill Barr knew exactly what happened.

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

I have definitely suspected Bill Barr all along. It’s just too suspicious that Barr happened to be in NY that very evening.

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Chris's avatar

Yes!!! Bill barr needs to be investigated!

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spin45s's avatar

Bill Barr knows exactly, most definitely, what really happened. Put him on the stand. NOW.

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Janice Childress's avatar

He visited the Federal jail just days before. The jail was under his jurisdiction.

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Teri Tobey's avatar

I believed it was just prior. I’d love to see the camera tapes of his visit(s) to see Epstein face and Barrs face. Also the exact timeline.

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SFGal's avatar

Really! Why would he otherwise volunteer such unsolicited information?

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Teach84's avatar

Exactly! “Unsolicited” is the key word here.

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Janice Childress's avatar

Haven't ya noticed he can't keep his mouth shut. Important we listen to every word he speaks. He gives it all away seeking dominance🤪

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SFGal's avatar

I couldn't agree more and love hearing him incriminate himself!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

It is enjoyable isn't it?

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ShereeP's avatar

Always!

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SFGal's avatar

Digging his own metaphorical grave! Lovin' it! Go, Donny, go!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Right? And since everything he touches dies, let him touch himself often and with impunity

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SFGal's avatar

On this note I'll take a tiny raunchy step quoting a fave Madeline Kahn line from "History of the World Part I" -- "The servant waits while the Master baits." I'd love your suggestion to have "results" One can only hope!

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Barbara M's avatar

Because he is brain dead..

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Andrea Todd's avatar

Had him killed.

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

More likely, he had him killed - and I’ve thought that all along!

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WJB Motown's avatar

NARCISSITIC PROJECTION!!!!! TACOTITS.....GUILTY

Narcissistic projection is a defense mechanism where a person with narcissistic traits attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or behaviors to others. It's a way for them to avoid confronting their own flaws and maintain a positive self-image. This projection can involve blaming others for their mistakes, projecting negative traits onto others, or even projecting positive qualities to inflate their own sense of self-importance.

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MM Harris's avatar

Yep and we all know he does it alllllll the time. Plus, currently I think the stress he's under for all KINDS of reasons even beyond the epstein issue is at a high level and may be affecting his ability to maintain control over what comes out of his mouth

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WJB Motown's avatar

Not everyone knows or else there would not be 77 million flying monkeys out there willing to drink the Orange KoolAid.

,,,,Well ya....when a Narc is backed into a corner, that is when it gets extremly dangerous......playing with nuclear subs like its a game of Battleship???

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The Other One's avatar

Because he’s an ignoramus

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Barbara M's avatar

He is beyond any credibility, he is a laughing stock.

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Linda M. Walker's avatar

That is so true especially in his case

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Barbara Clary's avatar

Or had someone do it for him

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Punkette's avatar

For sure. The mob boss never gets his hands dirty.

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C Bowlby's avatar

Same thing!

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Jody's avatar

Except that if he got someone to do it for him, he’s telling the truth when he says he didn’t kill him.

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Margaret's avatar

Criminally liable either way.

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Jody's avatar

Exactly. I agree 100%. But he is morally bankrupt so I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t see it that way.

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SMB's avatar

Same PUTIN Playbook, trumps idol!

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MM Harris's avatar

good point

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Peggy Fokkema's avatar

Opposite Land

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Lisa Montgomery's avatar

In normal cases, yes, I believe he does what he says he doesnt. But I don't believe he would actually do it himself. He'd hire a hit man and I do believe he has already done it.

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Yes, he doesn't ever lift a finger or do any work or take any responsibility. He delegates through intimidation, extortion, bullying, etc.

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Leslie Conlon's avatar

That is what was was thinking!

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C Bowlby's avatar

So hard to swallow, choking but finally getting and facing facts! All soo unimaginable, YecccC!

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Seldon Crisis Log's avatar

Wait, you mean your friends don’t call you out of the blue to assure you they didn’t kill someone?

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Ferengi (child of aliens 😋😉🤗)'s avatar

Yup. That's Roy Cohn rule #2.

Admit nothing. Deny everything.

(Deflect if needed by using rule #1: attack, attack, attack [double down if needed])

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Declan's avatar

Would ANYONE believe D???

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SFGal's avatar

I mean like you pick up the phone and the caller is saying: "Hey, dude, you know I didn't kill so-and-so? Right?" Too weird to comprehend!

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Jody's avatar

Yep. That’s what I thought. “Oh Donald how’s it going? How’s your lovely wife?”

“You know I didn’t kill Epstein right?”

“Okay I didn’t ask, but okay, while we’re mentioning it I didn’t kill him either, and it’s not looking good for you. Goodbye please don’t call again.”

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SFGal's avatar

That captures it beautifully! What a gang of cretins!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Gang is totally correct. Chief mobster. The Godawful Father.

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

thank you for your attention to this matter ...

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ShereeP's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Kay Vallejo's avatar

HE ONLY TELLS THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAYS HE DIDN'T DO IT! ALWAYS MEANS HE DID! It was o e of his hits!

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SFGal's avatar

His M.O. is so transparent!

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K.M.'s avatar

Apparently enough idiots to get him elected.

TWICE.

This country is done.

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A. Williams's avatar

🇺🇸 is not done. We are fighting back.

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JoAnn Gesterling's avatar

That was not a legitimate election! And it really exposed the uselessness of Democrats!

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Barbara M's avatar

Tragic state of America as long as he remains as president. 🥹🥹

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Heather Barr's avatar

I wasn’t aware anyone said he was killed. Last I heard it went down as a suicide. ‘Me thinks thou dost protest too loudly’ or something like that.

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Chris's avatar

Ghislaine Maxwell even thinks Epstein was murdered.... people are even saying trumps first wife Ivana was pushed down the stairs by someone. She was supposed to testify a day or a few days before a trial and tell things about trump... in her home she had an elevator and it was said she always used the elevator instead of taking the stairs. that night she died she didn't use the elevator. It was said her son Eric found her.

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Sharon's avatar

This same guy said Trump said of Mara Maples when she said she was pregnant he thought maybe he could throw her down the stairs and Epstein said no. You don’t want to kill her. That sent chills through me. Wasn’t Ivana about to testify in Maxwells case? That just chills me. Do I think he had Epstein killed. I certainly do.

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ShereeP's avatar

That poor woman was killed!!!!! So fucking obvious!!!!!

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Beth Witrogen's avatar

Would be that Melanoma is next, but she's too much like him, grifter extraordinaire. And part of the Epstein harem no doubt. No proof from me, but no doubt from me either. Just sayin' ...

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Jackie Blanton's avatar

Lots of people. Unless they know something about him.

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Regina Edelman's avatar

Many people do, unfortunately.

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Gail Murdock's avatar

Nope

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dameemstr@icloud.com's avatar

Can you please investigate…AG Barr was the last visitor Epstein had!

Barr was at the mansion in NY the day Epstein died….searching through papers, before a search warrant was even issued! Certainly the AG of the USA knew that was illegal !

Are these trump “tools” ever going to be held accountable for their actions?

The fact the two guards were “disappeared” and the surveillance tape at the exact time, was tampered with, is too much of a coincidence for me!

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Michael Stayton's avatar

Check this report by CBS: CBS News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies

Like the video could not be of his cell. That it was possible to get to his cell without being recorded.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/

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Cheryl Doran Girard's avatar

So, after the Trump bribe we’re to believe CBS news?

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dameemstr@icloud.com's avatar

Thank you for taking the time to send this information! It makes me wonder why the committee is letting this slide…..I am worried about it, and I think we ALL should be!

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Regina Edelman's avatar

Why would I give my precious audience to any MSM after all?

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Snoozer's avatar

With every day, with every investigated story, the plot gets thicker but less murky. Is a sitting president immune to conspiracy to commit murder?

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Rose Cassie's avatar

Trump is responsible for the death of the security guard at the violent terrorist attack he lead on Jan.6th! 🏴‍☠️But his vile republican MAGA cult stopped that prosecution.😡

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SFGal's avatar

Guess we've covered that ground and SCOTUS settled THE question.

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Snoozer's avatar

Yes, but isn't there a prerequisite to the immunity issue? That immunity only pertains to actions taken as part of his duties of office? It would take a tornado of spin to convince anyone that an Epstein murder was necessary as a matter of national security.

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SFGal's avatar

Unless there is an undisclosed Justice part of the network, especially with Leonard Leo and Harlan Crow as shadow benefactors. Who knows how far and deep the tentacles reach? I can see egotists Gorsuch and Kavanaugh chomping at the bit to further put their imprint on the unitary executive.

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Andrea Todd's avatar

If it’s true what Acosta asserted—that Trump was working as an informant for state—I can see how his murder was done for reasons of “national security”, etc.

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Michael Stayton's avatar

"In the 2007 deal, Epstein avoided federal charges and served only 13 months in state prison for state prostitution charges concerning his sexual involvement with underaged girls."

If true, Trump informed on Epstein in 2007 or before. Before he was president. No immunity for that. But statute of limitations is long past (if there was crime). But he knew of Epstein actions. But how long did he know and not reported on Epstein?

Questions for Trump:

When and where did you first meet with Epstein?

When did you become aware of Epstein activities with young girls?

Did you ever go to his island? When?

If so, did you ever participate? (plea the 5th)

Did you ever report Epstein to the authorities? And when? And who?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/department-of-justice-alex-acosta-epstein

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Andrea Todd's avatar

During the confirmation process for a cabinet position in the Trump administration, Alexander Acosta reportedly told officials that he was informed that Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and to "leave it alone" in relation to the non-prosecution agreement he oversaw as US Attorney in Miami in 2007

This quote was reported in a 2019 Daily Beast article by journalist Vicky Ward, citing a former White House staffer. It's important to note that Ward never named her source or provided documents or other evidence to support this claim. 

While there have been various conspiracy theories and speculation surrounding Epstein's potential involvement with intelligence agencies, including Israeli and American intelligence, it's crucial to distinguish these from corroborated facts. For example, records show that Epstein met with former CIA Director William Burns on three occasions in 2014, while Burns was Deputy Secretary of State. However, these meetings don't automatically confirm a connection or collaboration with the CIA. 

The assertion that Acosta made about being told Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and to "leave it alone" has not been independently verified and has been dismissed by others involved in the case. Former lawyer Alan Dershowitz, for example, expressed disbelief at the possibility of Epstein being an intelligence operative. 

In essence, while Acosta reportedly made this statement, it is an unverified claim that has not been supported by concrete evidence. 

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Teach84's avatar

According to the corrupt SCOTUS, yes, he is immune.

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JP4M's avatar

Thank you, Teach84. Since that act is not defined as an official act of the presidency, I have doubt, but can you please tell me how that ruling is worded. I believe the wording makes a difference.

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

It would be hard to convince anyone that murder would be directly tied to the core job of the President of the United States. Although, with the Republican Supreme Court’s devotion to him, I’m sure they would make it fit somehow!

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Andrea Todd's avatar

Acosta stated Epstein was working for Central Intelligence. He was “untouchable”. Trump could probably argue it was an official duty to protect the U.S./CIA. ? I dunno.

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DebPer's avatar

Ask John Roberts, who may be on the list himself.

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Snoozer's avatar

And Trump knows it.

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JP4M's avatar

Deb and Snoozer, if those are facts, strong action must be taken as exceptions snd our country standing up to whatever must be done to save our country and our Constitution.

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Snoozer's avatar

If the evidence isn't released, we can never know for certain, and I'm afraid the powers that be won't let that happen.

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Jackie Blanton's avatar

No.

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JoAnn Gesterling's avatar

.......,a sitting felon!

That pig is no president!

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JP4M's avatar

Snoozer, thank you for your question. Doesn’t the recent ruling of the Supreme Court exempt him only from “official acts while in office”? If so, and if murder were to be found an act or an assigned act by a president, then it would seem that no immunity would be allowed for an act that is not described as an official act of the office. Do you agree?

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Snoozer's avatar

Certainly makes sense to me. However, sense isn't common with Trump, Congress or SCOTUS, so who the hell knows what could be decided anymore.

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JP4M's avatar

Thanks for your answer, Snoozer. You are right snout a lot of things not making sense these days!

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JP4M's avatar

Here is a site I found with a full inclusion of the Supreme Court wording about presidential immunity. Unfortunately, it is going to take some effort to see it all clearly, but I believe it can be enlarged.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-court-decision-on-trump-and-presidential-immunity

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Snoozer's avatar

Thank you!

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JP4M's avatar

You’re welcome.

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Majesterial Joy's avatar

Yeah, Epstein was either murdered or secretly spirited off to Malta.

And yes, Trump has probably had a lot of people killed

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Stephane's avatar

It's time to end kkk ICE Gestapo by making Huge General Strike.

FREE US Population, Fre Palestine.

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Javier's avatar

Exactly, the Democratic Party should be banned from politics as a terrorist group.

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Leslie U. Harris's avatar

ICE has nothing to do with Palestine.

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fatzcat's avatar

More like the Democrats did it.

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Javier's avatar

Maybe another hit commanded by the Clintons and Obama.

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mtman2's avatar

Hardly = with NO evidence Trump had people killed OR the D’Rats & MSM would be sreaming it,

Instead it was them that trying to kill POTUS Trump and did kill Charlie Kirk = you fools seem to never Wakeup to actual reality staring you in the face…!

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Mike Waite's avatar

Epstein’s in Malta with Kirk. Just ask Joe Rogan.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Reprise.

1. Trump allegedly handed Prince Andrew a list of masseuses after the two men engaged in a sick conversation about “p---y.” The interaction reportedly happened in the year 2000, not long after they had been introduced by their mutual friends, Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

The claim was made in a report in the Daily Mail on Saturday by the respected royal writer and historian Andrew Lownie. Lownie is the author of Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York, a new investigative biography of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Entitled-Rise-Fall-House-York/dp/0008775451

Please follow up. The Daily Beast: Prince Andrew and Donald Trump’s Sick ‘P***y’ Conversations Revealed Tom Sykes.

2. Please interview Zev Shalev. I watched a discussion abut Trump and Ghislaine Maxwell. Seems Trump knew Maxwell when she worked on her father's NY paper, the New York Daily News. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Rumors and investigations surrounding Robert Maxwell have alleged ties to multiple intelligence agencies, including the Soviet KGB. These intelligence connections are reportedly viewed as being financially driven rather than ideologically motivated.

"[Gislaine] Maxwell, the Oxford-educated daughter of a billionaire publishing tycoon, was exactly the kind of company the future US president [Trump] liked to keep in New York in the 80s. The pair were regular fixtures in the elite Manhattan and Palm Beach social scenes, attending the same parties at private clubs and on million-dollar yachts."

The Telegraph: Trump’s friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell was once a liability. Now it could save him. Benedict Smith

Trump supposedly spent time with Roberty Maxwell on his yacht in New Yrork about the first time he went to Russia. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

In The Art of the Deal, Trump writes: “In January 1987, I got a letter from Yuri Dubinin, the Soviet ambassador to the United States, that began: ‘It is a pleasure for me to relay some good news from Moscow.’ It went on to say that the leading Soviet state agency for international tourism, Goscomintourist, had expressed interest in pursuing a joint venture to construct and manage a hotel in Moscow.”

"There were many ambitious real estate developers in the United States—why had Moscow picked Trump?

"According to Viktor Suvorov—a former GRU military spy—and others, the KGB ran Intourist, the agency to which Trump referred. It functioned as a subsidiary KGB branch. Initiated in 1929 by Stalin, Intourist was the Soviet Union’s official state travel agency. Its job was to vet and monitor all foreigners coming into the Soviet Union. “In my time it was KGB,” Suvorov said. “They gave permission for people to visit.” The KGB’s first and second directorates routinely received lists of prospective visitors to the country based on their visa applications.

"As a GRU operative, Suvorov was personally involved in recruitment, albeit for a rival service to the KGB. Soviet spy agencies were always interested in cultivating “young ambitious people,” he said—an upwardly mobile businessman, a scientist, a “guy with a future.”

Apparently Trump, Epstein and Maxwell used the same bank-- Deutsche Bank. Two deaths are connected to Deutsche Bank, which had a significant lending relationship with Donald Trump:

*Valentin Broeksmit: A whistleblower who reportedly provided documents related to Deutsche Bank's dealings with Trump to the FBI was found dead in Los Angeles in April 2022. Broeksmit was 45 years old. The Los Angeles Police Department stated that no foul play was suspected, but the cause of death was deferred pending further investigation.

*Thomas Bowers: A former Deutsche Bank executive who had approved loans to Trump was found dead in November 2019. Authorities later ruled his death a suicide. While Bowers had worked at Deutsche Bank when some of the loans to Trump were made, he had left the bank years before his death, and no signs connected his suicide to his previous work in any financial institution, according to Newsweek.

Did they have connections to Epstein and Maxwell?

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Glenn T Morgan Sr's avatar

Deutsche Bank is the last financial institution willing to risk a loan to a guy who doesn't pay his bills. You have to ask why when every other financial institution won't take the risk? Because Russia needed Deadbeat Donnie to stay relevant in the New York building trade and for him to stay solvent if they were going to get a return from their investment. I firmly believe that Deadbeat Donnie is the Manchurian candidate and with the way that he has eliminated the Russian cybersecurity branch of the United States and opened us up to cybersecurity attacks I'd say that's the return they were expecting.

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Masha's avatar

And we’ve all forgotten about that as if it’s no big deal. Just blended in with all the other crazy news bits.

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Madness's avatar

I thought during 1.0 that 🍊 💩 had to pay hundred of millions of dollars to Deutsche Bank for those suspect loans. .. what happened to that? How that criminal idiot escapes ANY accountability, and cons the Congress and so many others to support him beyond believable fact is so infuriating. Must have patience his karma will catch up to him/them….

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Porter's avatar

DeutscheBank and the Bank of Cyprus, out there in full view, were and perhaps still are, conduits for Russian oligarchs, as well as the KGB/FSB and Putin himself. And of course I'm not including the raft of major banks in London that made the City of London a hotbed of nefarious Russian activity. Which reminds me - Trump picked one of the top directors of the Bank of Cyprus to be his Commerce Secretary. Where did he go after the loss to Biden?

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Leslie Goodman-Malamuth's avatar

On August 6, Andrew Lownie’s book Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York, will be published. Lownie would be an excellent interview in which Michael Wolff or Ben Meiselas could discuss Prince Andrew (photographed at Mar-a-Lago in 2000), Epstein, and Trump.

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Rita Franco-Gilbert's avatar

Wow! How did we not know this before he ran for president? Where was the media outrage about this connection?

I’ll never understand why a person like G.Maxwell who was Oxford educated & had every advantage given to her but not an ounce of respect nor any idea to do good. She could have worked to stop trafficking instead she becomes one of the most vile persons to harm young girls.

Ever since I was a child I dreamed of how I could help others like poor people/children & my passion to save & protect animals & our environment. I never made much money but I do whatever I can to help others with what little I have. It’s who I am.

If all of us lived by this principle just think what a wonderful world 🌎 we could have!

If we all did this could we stop the madness,the addiction to money & power,the need to destroy others for our own benefit?

So to all the people/readers here I ask “Who are you?” A Giver or a Taker?! It will take the Givers to change the world 🌎! 🙏🏻

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ramona j's avatar

This was reported. It just was alll swept away. As it still happens today. Two sets of rules for justice. Soon it will be retribution not justice at all.

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JP4M's avatar

Many people I have heard talk and who favor him, simply refuse to believe anything negative, just as they have since before his first term. They are suspicious of any comment that could expose him, and they promote lies about the opponents while refusing to accept any facts.

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Andrea Todd's avatar

She was perhaps the victim of sexual abuse herself. By her dad?

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Linda LaPorta's avatar

Maxwell and trump!

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Seldon Crisis Log's avatar

We did know this before he was president, but the msm ignored it so most voters didn’t know or thought it was just political attacks.

Maxwell is likely a Mossad officer. In her mind she was fighting for Israel by collecting blackmail on influential people.

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

I remember those 2 deaths happening…. because they were both tied to Trump Loans.

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Sabrina Wood's avatar

Excellent comment and so glad you included Zev. He needs to mentioned in every comment section for his work on this story. Zev Shalev at Narativ.org.

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mtman2's avatar

HEARSAY IS RAMPANT in life period,

Esp about Trump = just "IF" there was anythings more the D'Rats would've ended his political career --> but that just never happens cause they have nothing:

HOWEVER-> there's so much on Clintons, Pelosi, Obamas+0'Biden its a circus on meth:

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Black Raven's avatar

The orange pedo is a murderer. He is culpable of the 1 million that died during COVID-19 due to his rhetoric and lies. And the republican governors also have blood on their hands. And there are suspicions that he may have had someone or himself kill Ivana trump. Her NDA ( non-disclosure agreement) was set to expire in 4 days and she magically fell down her stairs and died. She had lived in that pent house for over 30 years and it has an elevator. And we have the Guiffre victim that supposedly died from suicide as well. The Casablanca pedophile also supposedly died from suicide and as well as Epstein as well all know. Russia's Putin has people poisoning and throwing his "enemies" throw windows 🪟 and apparently the orange pedophile has people suicide. And let's not even talk about the corruption and stench that there is right now in Washington D.C. horrific things.

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Agree with you on Ivana.. it may sound crazy but I've been listening to tarot card readers and 1 had said ivana's death needs to be investigated. She said the night Ivana died she says there was a man in the house that Ivana new and he was the one who pushed her down the stairs. And now u said the same thing. Also Bill Barr should be investigated for giving orders to have Epstein killed. I'm bad about saving things I read but Epstein's brother had 2 other coroner's do the autopsy on Jeffrey and they said the markings on his neck were not consistent of suicide.

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Black Raven's avatar

All these deaths are surely suspicious.

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Black Raven's avatar

But you guys get my gist... you get what I was tying to say!

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Black Raven's avatar

Excuse all of my typos. I have a broken cell phone screen. On one side and can't see if things are being typed correctly! 🤣🤣🤣😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

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MargaretPacL's avatar

No problem, when I'm typing, I can't remember certain words, so I then write my answer and edit it later. The brain won't cooperate at times.

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Black Raven's avatar

Thank you for understanding Margaret! 😂😂😂💙

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Black Raven's avatar

And poor Grammar, too. 😂😂😂🤦‍♀️ I read it back and was like WTF?! 😂🤣

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ramona j's avatar

I agree. Raven .I got you 100. Also glad to hear Im not the only one who has typing deficiencies . .y brain is working faster that these little screens allow. ✌️

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ramona j's avatar

See, I meant MY brain.

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Black Raven's avatar

😂😂

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Black Raven's avatar

Lmao 😂 🤣 😂 SO freaking true! My brain was trying to get it all out and my fingers weren't cooperating! Then add the cell phone screen being broken into the mix and there's disaster! 😂😂😂 thanks for understanding. 💙💙💙

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ramona j's avatar

I hate this phone shit. But I need MY Meidas Touch Network . SO I persist 😆 🤣

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Black Raven's avatar

LOL! 🤭😂 I hear ya!

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Sabrina Wood's avatar

All good 😂 we get what you wrote 👍

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Black Raven's avatar

😂🤭 Thanks! 💙

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Glenn T Morgan Sr's avatar

How do you break three bones in your neck from the height of a bunk bed in your cell, and why did Epstein have 40+ sheets in his cell when you're only issued two upon incarceration? Then I have to ask why out of 20 some cameras in the prison only one was operational and it's not even the one on Epsteins floor? I find it incredulous that a prison is operating with only one camera working when we know that guard stations rely on cameras to minimize the amount of personnel during a shift. There's a lot of suspicious aspects to the whole situation and until there's better transparency these conspiracy theories are not going away.

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I had read Epstein's bother had 2 different coroner's do the autopsy on Jeffrey and they said his injuries and markings were not consistent with suicide. I should've saved what I read but I didn't. Bad habit of mine.

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The only way that the three neck bones would be broken is by a drop of at least 10 feet or if someone else was adding their body's weight to him after he was tied off to the upper bunk. Notice how Trump's defense lawyer brought up the legality of sending Seal Team Six to assassinate his political enemies? The same lawyer is meeting with Ghislane Maxwell alone and resulting in moving her to a minimum security prison thus reducing her security as well. How long will it be before we hear that she's committed suicide?

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The Heritage Foundation has got their fingers on all of this and Todd Blanche was provided to Trump at the last minute when no lawyer of any sense would defend him. Especially since he never pays his bills to his lawyers. Where does a high profile lawyer who knows the history of his potential client get funded to defend him? The Heritage Foundation of course and where does Trump get a list of judges to appoint? The same Heritage Foundation and Lenard Leo trying to undo all of the progress that's been made on the Voting Rights Act, women's healthcare, and LGBTQ+ equality. Every single bit of civil rights progress that has been getting under the skin of the right wing extremists has been targeted during both of Deadbeat Don the Pedo Con's presidencies and the 2nd one they've put specific handlers in place to keep Trump focused. Russell Vought, JD Vance, and Stephen Voldemort Miller.

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Sylvia Arrowood's avatar

Trump will rot in hell. By the way, he wants everything renamed after him. We can start naming toilets after him Trump Dumps.

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Rose Cassie's avatar

Republicans GOP party now stands for “GROSS OLD PEDIPHILE “. 😝🏴‍☠️🐍

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Barbara Hopper's avatar

or Guadians of Pedophiles.

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Pamela Usrey's avatar

Love this. It would be hilarious if not so true.

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JoyceM's avatar

Government of Pedophiles (?)

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

Hell is much too good for him!

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Sylvia Arrowood's avatar

Oh, Satan is waiting for him.

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Padma Wick's avatar

"I am not a crook", Nixon

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Kandace Cowen's avatar

And Trump’s reply: I’m a crook - So What?

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Joanne Steacie's avatar

Good one!

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MM Harris's avatar

"I never had sexual relations with that woman." Clinton

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Andrea Todd's avatar

Those were consensual. And by sexual relations he meant sex.

Clinton was a pig but he wasn’t an idiot. He never put it in. And as far as I know he never groped or raped a minor.

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Anastasia Pantsios's avatar

Clinton had a "type" and it definitely wasn't young teens. Monica was his youngest at 21 and she was very womanly.

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Andrea Todd's avatar

Monica never claimed the relationship was non consensual. Nor did she ever claim Clinton “used” or took advantage of her. She considered it a private affair. Literally. It was her “friend” who ratted her out.

It was the way she was treated by Clinton etc after the fact that she resented.

Also the other two Clinton “victims” changed their stories like 14 times each.

Risible.

And Kenn Starr went on to resign his next job due to corruption—in disgrace.

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Anastasia Pantsios's avatar

The whole Lewinsky reveal was trumped up (ouch) by Republican consultant Lucianne Goldberg (mother of syndicated right-wing columnist Jonah Goldberg) and her friend Linda Tripp, whom they arranged to pretend to be Monica's friend and tape their conversations. As I recall, Ken Starr's people held Monica hostage and bullied and threatened her to rat out Clinton. Later Tripp had the gall to say she had extensive plastic surgery because people hated her and made fun of the way she looked. But she had it backwards: they made fun of her looks BECAUSE they hated her for WHAT SHE DID. She could've looked like a supermodel and she still would have looked ugly because she was ugly on the inside.

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bettievanoverbeke's avatar

Met Clinton in Arkansas when we were both teenagers. Oralsex was not considered real sex just a way to.be a technical virgin

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Andrea Todd's avatar

Yes that is a popular rationalization among the religious including priests—oral and anal don’t “count” as sex.

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Anastasia Pantsios's avatar

They found kids who were taught "abstinence only" were more likely to have oral and anal sex as teenagers.

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Catlady's avatar

Maybe he didn't personally kill him, but, he killed him

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ann schneider's avatar

Michael Wolff is the best.

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Susan Moncure Wheeler's avatar

And I hope he’s watching his own back.

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Catherine Dowhan's avatar

I think we’ve only seen the tip of this scary iceberg but as we know even icebergs can melt.

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Stephane's avatar

It's time to end kkk ICE Gestapo by making Huge General Strike.

FREE US Population, Fre Palestine.

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Leslie U. Harris's avatar

The only ICE action against Palestine is deporting illegally resident Palestinians.

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Protect the Vote's avatar

It’s Not About Governing for Cheeto It’s About Dictatorship

For the Orange Cheeto being president has never been about governing for the people Even in his first term but even more so this second go around it’s always been about:

1 grievances, rage, anger, pettiness, and lying to make his narrative be what he wants it to be; 2 tax breaks for his buddies in the oligarchy at the expense of the rest of us This is how dictators do their job

So tired of hearing people call this clown the most powerful man on earth He’s a pathetic demented misfit who belongs in a nursing home

But Cheeto is running out of time His shitick is wearing thin, WE the People have seen enough What is about to happen is economic collapse with hyperinflation due the moronic pre 1930’s policies that led the country into a Great Depression Tariffs check, huge wealth gap discrepancy check, incompetent leadership check Cheeto just like in the COVID crisis will not know what to do and he’ll deny reality over and over again but it won’t work

Get into gold and silver to protect your personal wealth

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Porter's avatar

Orange Cheeto is a paranoid psychotic and narcissist. And as if that isn't enough, reports are that he smells really bad and cheats at everything, especially golf.

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Glenn T Morgan Sr's avatar

You can always tell the character of a man by the way that he plays golf, and Deadbeat Donnie has failed.

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Trish Smith's avatar

You're so right! My father used to say the same thing.

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ramona j's avatar

And you can always tell someone is a rotting POS by the smelll.

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SFGal's avatar

And taxes!!!

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Michelle Perkins Smith's avatar

Sry he is following the Hilter book of fascism

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SFGal's avatar

Contingent on whether "we" have wealth to protect!

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joy buzalsky's avatar

Mahatma Gandi said if there's an idiot in power it means those who elected him are well represented.

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D Witham's avatar

I am surprised he didn’t say that biden killed him.

The donald probably had something to do with it and if he didn’t, i bet he knows who did. Even then, you cant believeANYTHING that comes out if his filthy mouth.

He is spinning faster now. His head should blow off any day.

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ramona j's avatar

D. I spit out my iced tea. Hilarious 😂

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Schmendryck's avatar

That's Entertainment!

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Andrea Todd's avatar

It IS interesting he hasn’t spun out that theory.

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