I agree, and I have no reason to believe this incident wasn’t staged. It seems to me that whenever the felon is in a place where he’s “painted himself into a corner”, there is an “attempt” on his life. These things are just a bit too convenient to be believed, imho.
Bingo, Sharon! Totally agree! Wonder what his next act in this regard will be? Bet I (well--we) won't have to wait too long. He really wants people (especially those who are "against" him) to feel sorry for him......
100% agree. I'm writing this 6 hours later when we know more. I've read so much that maybe Ben will check this out. I read that Press Secretary Leavitt said BEFORE the WHCD, "There will be shots fired...."
Oh, WHOA!!!!!!!!!!! Since you mentioned that, I interpret that statement two ways. One is that Leavitt said it more as a fear(?) that they would be. The other, of course, is that she KNEW beforehand that that was going to happen. To me, it was staged. Dump will do anything for as much attention as he can get.
I found out it was a clip of her giving an interview on Fox & it was reported by Acyn, so it's LEGITIMATE!! She talked like it was going to happen & she had a 'cavalier' attitude about it. It was staged so that Donald could get his golden ballroom! Toddler demands his new toy, ASAP!
It was a figure of speech. WHY would she give it away if it WAS staged? Makes no sense. In the meantime, enough evidence has come out to prove it wasn't staged that only the hardest core tinfoil hatters coukd still possibly believe otherwise, IMO.
Why would she give it away like that? This is classice conspiracy theory thinking: they're so wily and devious, but also so bumbling and dumb. They drop hints that are so obvious, yet only "I" see them for what they are. Saying "Shots will be fired" at a correspondents' dinner with an administration that's openly hostile to the press seems par for the course, same as Trump using the word "bloodbath" with regards to elections. They're figures of speech. Poorly used ones, but I don't believe they should be taken literally.
Why would she give it away like that? These people are known for saying the quiet part out loud. This whole event gets more & more fishy. Someone from MT (Ben or maybe Scott Macfarland) has reported that Allen was denied counsel at first, was only allowed to see his attorney at first in a large waiting room within earshot of the prison personnel, & he was denied 'Brady rights". Not an attorney, but that is being denied a lot of evidence like ballistic evidence. His attorney (a public defender) finally approached the judge who ruled on a number of options, including contempt. Pirro is the inept prosecutor & she sent out a rigged video which is no where near the original one that was sent out right at the beginning by Donald himself (which is very strange). Now they've suddenly discovered 'a pellet' in the SS agent's vest (who was shot in friendly fire by another agent which the original video showed),linking Allen to the WHCD attack. It's beginning to look like the shooting incident was staged, so Donald could hold a staged press conference, not only to get his ballroom, but to have another excuse to declare a national emergency to federalize the midterms. Jim Jones staged several assassination attempts & shooting incidences to manipulate his cult & increase his approval. A simple search will reveal.
“Why would she give it away like that? These people are known for saying the quiet part out loud.”
False equivalence. Not at ALL the same.
“This whole event gets more & more fishy. Someone from MT (Ben or maybe Scott Macfarland) has reported that Allen was denied counsel at first, was only allowed to see his attorney at first in a large waiting room within earshot of the prison personnel, & he was denied 'Brady rights". Not an attorney, but that is being denied a lot of evidence like ballistic evidence. His attorney (a public defender) finally approached the judge who ruled on a number of options, including contempt.”
None of which proves it was staged.
“Pirro is the inept prosecutor & she sent out a rigged video which is no where near the original one that was sent out right at the beginning by Donald himself (which is very strange).”
None of these floundering losers are on the same page. None of the above surprises me. Still doesn’t prove it was staged.
“Now they've suddenly discovered 'a pellet' in the SS agent's vest (who was shot in friendly fire by another agent which the original video showed),linking Allen to the WHCD attack.”
Who is “they?” Jenine Pirro? I can’t find anything on legit news sites about this, only that “it’s said”. Still doesn’t prove it was staged. If anything, it would prove the guy didn’t GAF who he shot on the way to the target.
“It's beginning to look like the shooting incident was staged, so Donald could hold a staged press conference, not only to get his ballroom, but to have another excuse to declare a national emergency to federalize the midterms.”
Not based on anything you’ve told me so far.
“Jim Jones staged several assassination attempts & shooting incidences to manipulate his cult & increase his approval. A simple search will reveal.”
This is a classic “tu quoque” fallacy, which is: justifying an action or belief in said action by pointing out that another person did the same, which is a form of whataboutism. Sorry, Jim Jones, who was not a POTUS and could get away with a HELLA lot more without any oversight doesn’t prove Cole Allen was a fake assassin.
I'm not doing false equivalence. You obviously don't understand the term. You engage in attack, deflect, deny, distract, rinse & repeat. Leavitt said what she said, plain & simple. These people are simpletons. They are massively unqualified for the jobs they hold. Zev Shalev showed the video & discussed it. Allen picked the most guarded entrance, ran quickly thru it, with his shotgun pointed in a downward direction. The SS agents knew he was coming. According to Zev, someone from CA had told them Allen was coming. The agent that was shot was shot in friendly fire. A witness reported that when Allen was running, he tripped & the SS agents piled on top of him. The facts tell that he was denied seeing his attorney at first, denied talking in private,& denied Brady rights (including ballistic evidence). The Washington Post reviewed the high resolution surveillance video on Apr 29, & reported that Allen ran 60' through the Hilton corridor with his SHOTGUN POINTED AT THE GROUND. A SS agent fired 4 times. There is no muzzle flash from Allen's gun. The bullet holes in the wall match handgun rounds, not buckshot.6 shots in 1.4 seconds, ONE WEAPON FIRING. Zev has described this presidency as the one that cries wolf. The video is now consistent with the same theory. THERE WAS NO ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT. It led to a staged press conference where Trump toted a need for his ballroom. In his Substack, Zev lays out 7 reasons why Trump WAS NOT UNDER ANY THREAT ON SATURDAY NIGHT & HE KNEW IT. You can easily find his Substack post dated April 28. It's free. There's no paywall.
Exactly what happened is not yet clear: it appears law enforcement stopped an armed man outside the event [at the metal detector (Reuters)], and a subsequent noise alarmed dinner attendees and Secret Service agents, who rushed the president, the first lady, and other government officials to a secure location. Heather Cox Richardson
I didn't even look at the video but if this is where she said something like "there will be shots tonight" she meant verbal shots. Like he would give them zingers.
Just hours before the White House Corresponds’ Dinner was supposed to take place, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt described how she believed the evening would turn out.
“It’ll be funny. It’ll be entertaining. There will be some shots fired tonight in the room,” Leavitt, 28, said during an interview that is going viral on social media, likely referring to the jokes that President Donald Trump was planning to make during his first-ever WHCD speech. “Everyone should tune in, it’s going to be really great.”
Prior to the event, Donald’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump claimed that the 79-year-old politician had reportedly hired “joke writers” to help with his speech.
“He’s got some great people who he’s tapping to help him with this, but he comes up with a lot of good material as you see on Truth Social, as you see live in the flesh, himself,” Lara, 43, said during the Monday, April 20, episode of Citizen McCain With Meghan McCain. “I hope that he roasts every journalist in the room and I hope I can watch it and enjoy it and I hope he just takes them all to task.” Yahoo News
Are you kidding me?? Yes, it has. Very much so. Dozens and dozens of articles with illustrations, video, and digital recreations. That you don't remember them is an effect of the firehose of bullshit coming at us every single day.
No it hasn’t. The pro-Trump media is not the problem-Trump DOJ and FBI. He doesn’t even mention Butler; a narcissist doesn’t remember an assassination attempt? Get real. He doesn’t mention it because it was a staged event and because he wasn’t hit. Funny how his ear is perfect after having a bullet pass through it. No notch, no scar. No time out of the media eye for eeconstructive surgery. The ear-tampon was simply gone after a week. Because he wasn’t hit. He staged it, just as he stage last night.
When felon 47 is involved he stops talking about it and insists the media stop talking. It’s his MO. Like in Butler, ordered Eric to push his mother down the stairs to her death, because she was due in court to testify against the trump organization. Epstein, Charlie Kirk shooting. I believe Erika and the felons regime were involved. Charlie spoke loudly about releasing the Epstein files. Now, last night WHCD which I believe was staged. How much did he pay the shooter? 47 is the boy who cried wolf too many times.
Charlie Kirk was shot by a dipshit too heavily invested in kooky online groups. What you believe is irrelevant. They have the shooter, they have the evidence, and Erika Kirk is just like everyone else in this fuckcluster of fascists: a fucking opportunist. That doesn't a conspiracy prove.
Trump wasn't POTUS when Butler happened, it wasn't his FBI to deal with. People lost their jobs. And his ear will not show a huge scar, because only the outer flimsy skin and perhaps a nick of cartilage was hit. That tissue heals pretty quickly and easily, no need for surgery. And I double-dog dare you to fake your assassination by letting someone using live ammo aim for your head. Y'all don't really think thru just how many people would've had to practice and get the timing of that just right, without a single person ever spilling the beans. Like no one SOMEWHERE would notice? C'mon.
Actually cartilage doesn’t heal. But that doesn’t matter because he wasn’t hit, it was the blood of the guy who was hit. And as professional shooters using the same rifle and red dot sight, getting a precise hit would be nearly impossible. Getting a long arm deeply into a protected area, and getting up on the roof of the shed meant walking not only past both secret service and Trumps own security, plus pro Trump audience members. And for your information because he had ALREADY been POTUS he had secret service protection and because it was a political crime (assassination if a former president and current candidate) the FBI would absolutely been involved. You’re a perfect example of a brain-dead MAGAt who will protect the Pedophile in Chief against any opposition. He’s a draft dodger, a pedophile, an insurrectionist, an adjudicated rapist, and a 43 time convicted felon (with 63 more indictments for fraud he’s dodging), and a war criminal. And you are dumber than a box of hammers
I guess it was another post where I referred to Butler investigations being either non-existant or buried. But yes, that control can be achieved either way. But a censored/buried investigation can be leaked or show up at an inoppertune time. One that was never done can't.
BTW, because y'all Butler Truthers seem to have forgotten, Trump was not POTUS at that time. BIDEN was. It was the BIDEN administration, the BIDEN FBI, and it was the media when BIDEN was in power. NOT Trump.
Boy do I sympathize with the breakneck speed! The flood of shit affects us all. But any link, even a single one, will give me something to untangle in my "spare" time. Thanks.
We know Sylvia. Not you. You go pray away your guilt for sticking up for a loser. No matter what happened . He is rotten to the core . Religion won't save his legacy. Nothing will
I agree . Let's just posit, for argument's sake, that this guy who they caught was really someone who already thought he was going to "save the world" by shooting the people at the dinner, and was not a "plant" by tRUMP's associates. It doesn't matter if he was or was not. What matters is tRUMP and the "Sultans of Spin" will use it to their advantage.
My personal advice would be to keep asking those who disagree with us in our own personal sphere of influence to at least think about the personal purposes the current Regime has for saying what they say but doing something else. THEN, LET IT BE. It helps to keep their dignity intact while causing them to doubt what they have been "disinformationally" led to believe. If we as a nation want to be seen as good humans, then we still have to treat our fellow humans with dignity as much as possible. (Not like the ICE agents have been known to do). Patience and persistence tend to pay off, but no one can really predict exactly when. Hoping that each one of you has at least one joy you can experience today!
I will now get off of my soapbox and have a cup of coffee like Ben!
Patricia I hope you can find help from someone among your family/friends so you will be able to survive this really shitty time we are experiencing. My daughter, who works hard every day and makes a decent wage, still has a difficult time making ends meet, so I do get what you are feeling. I'm fortunate to be able to give her some help. Hang in there. We need good people like you.
I am so tired of this administration. I'm not one given to conspiracies, yet, there's so much about this that doesn't feel right. I just want them all to go away. Far, far, far away.
Yes, I know Will! Why would a guy have a shotgun if you are planning on shooting someone? Some reports heard nothing-no real details which with this group they would have some at least made up! I feel bad-with all the commotion Patel for sure spilled his drink-amazed he hasn't taken any credit yet!!
The shooter wasn't even on the same floor as the event, and very few shots were fired. Why would everyone hear it? And why would the guy not have a shotgun? Why did he have knives? Did he plan on hand to hand combat? Maybe? What difference does it make? These questions aren't proof of staging.
Well, I would say a big part of the doubt is Trump's ear! With a high-powered rifle the ear can't be perfect. Plus these people would do that-they turned their back on Ukraine and thousands more have tied! There is nothing they won't do to stay in power! Nothing!!!
It's a vid by experts that prove how bullets work. With shit tons of high-speed video evidence. Sorry reality doesn't agree with you. You're digging in, like conspiracy theorists do when confronted by evidence that doesn't align with their beliefs. Take a step back and admit you *might*? be wrong in the face of expertise? Thank you for your attention to this matter? I hope?
The ear isn't perfect. Doesn't matter that it was a high-powered rifle. The bullet is only the size the eraser end of a pencil and a small curl of flesh offers no resistance. It barely touched him. This has been shown and recreated by ballistics experts on YouTube. And no, these people are evil assholes, but they INCOMPETENT evil assholes. How can a dipshit like Trump, who is shocked - SHOCKED - that the little excursion in Iran turned the HUGELY important Strait of Hormuz into a worldwide economic clusterfuck, plan, rehearse, and execute such a situation as Butler PA and pull it off without a hitch? The odds are INFINITESIMALLY small. It only seems easy in retrospect, especially if you discount facts such as how bullets work.
Does any of it feel right yet? They have the guy, they have his info, his background, his guns, his "manifesto".. He's barely a blip compared to Butler PA. All he accomplished was a major security breach by the Keystone Kops managing the place. Of course, the administration took advantage of it, as did the media. Clicks, propaganda, outrage, then... all the investigation goes on in the background and everyone forgets it was actually real, actually investigated, and it is exactly what it appears to be, just like a school shooting: a lone wolf with a beef got pissed off, had guns to spare, and had a moment of spotlight that TRUMP is now hogging. It's so predictable at this point, but no less pathetic and every other past point.
Wonder how long it took to get that stunt choreographed and rehearsed. Bargain-basement theatrics. What are we supposed to be distracted from now? Wonder, if any of those attending the dinner are “figuring” it out…they were played.
And lil mikey johnson too, this was a “staged theatrics” for the magat base. Perfect since donnie said he was attending (which in the past he hasn’t ever gone because they make jokes about the president. But the tell was to have the vp, speaker of the house, and several cabinet members, and the “apparent shooter” had a shotgun and escaped?? Too coincidental for me to believe!!!
How at a formal function do you conceal a shotgun until you can reach the metal detectors? How did a kid with a long gun make it well inside the security perimeter at Butler? Because it was a staged event. Trump theatrics again.
Just to highlight the use of the rule of law and “alleged” could be used. Unfortunately, there is a dearth of facts about how a gun was discharged and who discharged it, I believe.
And if not. Maybe they got the message that this is going to continue to happen. . Do your jobs. Report the truth. They will sane wash this as well. Never learn.
Didn't watch. Don't really care. It was obvious it would be a shitshow.and I guess I was right. Terrorist or lone wolf. Sort of like the shark or electrocution choice.
So in less than a day, this has been investigated to you ?. Thats the problem. Investigations that benefit stupid are "closed" so quickly The .ones that don't, never take place.
OMG, elect a drama whore addicted to chaos to get attention and HERE WE ARE. IT IS A SIMPLE AS THAT. The man is seriously mentally ill, always has been and SHOULD NOT BE PARADING AROUND THIS COUNTRY to destroy as much as he can or CREATING CHAOS. IMO every single person is affected by this lunacy, PERIOD!
Without context I find it impossible to tell who you are calling "seriously mentally ill". A few years back it would have been obvious you were talking about the alleged shooter.
Most likely, we’ll find out eventually that it was staged. Too many questions arising from initial facts. Another ploy to attempt to reverse Trump’s sliding poll numbers and a Hail Mary from the Republicans in advance of the midterms. I suspect many of the comments online will be some form of “too bad he missed.”
I would not be surprised if it was a distraction and a headline grab for the dinner over the Epstein survivors, and their outdoor slide show on the building next door.
Really? Where’s the notch in the royal earlobe? There isn’t one because he wasn’t hit and he was never out of sight long enough for reconstructive surgery. And given the efficiency of the secret service plus his own protective services, how exactly did some kid sneak a long gun deep inside the secured perimeter? And most importantly being a malignant narcissist he’d have clamped down hard on guns and crowed constantly about his heroic escape. He hasn’t said anything more about it because it’s escaped his little mind. Nobody forgets being shot unless they were only wearing someone else’s blood. And he’d be showing off his heroic scar every chance he got; cartilage doesn’t grow back and surgery to repair it takes time. He simply stopped wearing his ear tampon after a week. It was totally faked and you guzzled the koolaid.
Butler was staged. This is just the beginning of people trying to kill this asshole. No one else is taking action against his regime. The people are growing tired and desperate. The terrorists are just ready for it . Enable a dictator. Expect to see assassins.
Makes sense-but they never do that! They blow up drug boats when they could get the kingpin-they kill citizens when they could find a conspiracy! They mostly kill them to make up a story that can't be disputed!
If you believe it was faked, keep believing in miracles cuz that's what it would've taken to miss that fat pumpkin head by an inch and a millisecond on PURPOSE. 🙄
No medical report because he was cut. Not shot. Doesn't want anyone to know that. Regardless of how, he took advantage and staged a photo op. One he uses on the regular..violent one of course.
Not if he wasn’t being aimed at…on purpose. He wasn’t hit because he wasn’t aimed at. The blood splatter on his face came from behind with drops streaked forward. A hit on his ear would have blown drops backward. Not to mention leaving a scar that would be obvious even had he had reconstructive surgery.
Links? Yeah there were people shot at Butler but evidence it WAS an actual assissinition attempt vs evidence it was a setup? There doesn't seem to be much evidence at all- Just twist and spin.
Not faked as in it never happened. Faked in that things were done to allow the construction of a manipulative narrative AND things were done to make the dissimination of information to the contrary obscure and hard to dig up.
Even so, I am troubled at the historical events that push otherwise normal people to commit acts of such violence. Consider the killings of Alex Pretti and Rene Goode. What kind of craziness pushed those agents to kill these people when there was clearly no need? Then look at the craziness that pushes U.S. cvitizens to target the president. This IS NOT NORMAL, and neither is the TRump presidency. End the TRump presidency and we have a chance to go back to a normal that doesn't involve storm troopers and weekly protests.
It's not that the ever increasing numbers of the protesters are crazy, it's that what they're protesting against that has gone from crazy to dangerous. Just ask anyone anywhere else in the world.
There was plenty of investigation. Investgative journalism still happens. The only thing we didn't get was the medical report. But like tax returns and Epstein files, that's par for the course for this oh-so-transparent administration.
Thank you for your message Ben. I wrote the same to my brother this morning. He staged Butler to increase his poll numbers (a Putin tactic) and now he’s doing it again. I’m just so tired of all his bullshit and lies. Thank you for cutting through all the propaganda and reporting on the truth.
I’m glad you didn’t attend just like so many others that stand on their morals. Thanks for always bringing us the real story and for always standing up for our democracy.
Much appreciated for this Sunday message. That man knows everything was staged - that’s one reason he left the White House for Florida a few hours to finalize the plans. Another Butler incident. This time to keep the news off the WARS and more importantly EPSTEIN.
His ear healed like any tiny nick in the outer flesh would. The medical records not being released is par for the course for the guy who's also never voluntarily released his tax returns or the Epstein files. Trump was also a private citizen at the time. HIPAA might be something to read up on.
Yet you threatened to report me if I responded to you again elsewhere. "No one" is doing a massive fuckton of heavy lifting there. Yes, he has cried wolf as far as taking advantage of such things for his benefit, because he fucking survived to be an asshole about it. And CLEARLY, a lot of people care, because I'm getting swamped with STFU and let me have my conspiracy theory comfort.
Tons of info on the shooter. Seen ON the roof before the shoot, security sucked ass taking care of it. One was actually climbing the ladder, faced him, and retreated when Crooks turned and pointed the rifle at him. This is all well-documented. That you don't remember it or care to review the info after three years in passing is on you.
No, I'll keep knocking back the already and easily debunked nonsense people are clinging to for comfort. We all know Trump is a POS. Why the need for what would be incredibly perfectly planned theatrics? None of these people can plan their way out of a wet paper bag. Butler was real. Trump got MASSIVELY lucky by turning his head at just the right millisecond.
Nothing perfectly planned about it. Too many holes. The secret service and Trump’s own security forces didn’t catch an untrained kid with an AR15 coming in? Bullshit. The secret service saw him up there minutes before and did nothing to neutralize him before he opened fire? Bullshit. He hit several people in the audience and onstage with a rifle equipped with a non telescopic sight but didn’t score a body mass hit on a fat man? Bullshit. Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck? Bullshit. It was faked from top to bottom. The golf course hit, staged. The White House Press Corps dinner shooting, staged. Trump has never attended before, yet this shooter had the wherewithal to book a room half a year in advance to an event Trump wasn’t likely to be at? In this case I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed (actually carried because he’s virtually immobile and fell down getting up) but exactly how in a city with open carry banned did someone armed with a shotgun move freely enough to even get close to the secret service checkpoint? And watch the video from Trump’s table. He doesn’t react at all to the sound of shots; Vance was already being moved. Trump either couldn’t hear the shots because they were so far away (Vance and his people knew) or because, like Stalin on hearing about the first Atomic bomb test, he already knew.
“Nothing perfectly planned about it. Too many holes. The secret service and Trump’s own security forces didn’t catch an untrained kid with an AR15 coming in? Bullshit.”
It was OUTDOORS. The perimeter was loosely protected, and the building Crooks was on wasn’t even part of that perimeter. Whether Crooks was “untrained” or not doesn’t matter with regards to this statement.
“The secret service saw him up there minutes before and did nothing to neutralize him before he opened fire? Bullshit.”
PEOPLE saw him up there, and were warning of a man on the roof of the building that was OUTSIDE of the security perimeter. Additionally, one man DID climb up to that roof. Crooks turned and aimed at him and the man understandably dropped to the ground to avoid being shot. It was after that Crooks took aim at Trump because he knew he’d been spotted. And BTW, several SS people were fired over that bumblefucking.
“He hit several people in the audience and onstage with a rifle equipped with a non telescopic sight but didn’t score a body mass hit on a fat man? Bullshit.”
Watch the video again. https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=Zcv6zf8T_7MOuW8N We don’t KNOW what part of Trump he was aiming at, because the shooter is DEAD. But we DO know that assassins WILL aim for the head if they can. Blown-out brains can’t talk.
“Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck? Bullshit.”
Why? He turned to look at the chart that was being displayed. Just after the cop was threatened and dropped to the ground. Crooks actually did pretty well in that short panic of time. Had Trump NOT turned his head, he’d be dead, as is clearly shown in the above linked video.
“It was faked from top to bottom. The golf course hit, staged.”
The golf course NOT A HIT was a pathetic security breach. Of any of these, that was the easiest to fake because no shots were fired. Last I checked, that man went to jail.
“The White House Press Corps dinner shooting, staged. Trump has never attended before, yet this shooter had the wherewithal to book a room half a year in advance to an event Trump wasn’t likely to be at?”
*ahem* “According to federal prosecutors and FBI affidavits, Cole Allen booked his room at the Washington Hilton on April 6, 2026. He reserved the room for April 24-26, ahead of the April 25 White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Allen traveled by train from California and checked into the hotel on April 24”. These are records that can be accessed and confirmed. The fact that Trump has never attended this even before is irrelevant, so I’m really not sure why people keep bringing up this fact. Should people who want to kill him book a room there when he’s NOT attending? Seriously, WTF are you insinuating?
“In this case I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed (actually carried because he’s virtually immobile and fell down getting up)”
Speculation. And Vance sat there like a dunce and had to be grabbed to get off the fucking dais. They never heard the shots, which happened on the floor above. And it was funny as hell to watch Mr. “I could be an astronaut” fall his fat ass down. LOLOL
“but exactly how in a city with open carry banned did someone armed with a shotgun move freely enough to even get close to the secret service checkpoint?”
Because he brought the weapons in his luggage when he checked in. When’s the last time anyone at a hotel asked to dig thru your bags before giving you the room key?
“And watch the video from Trump’s table. He doesn’t react at all to the sound of shots; Vance was already being moved. Trump either couldn’t hear the shots because they were so far away (Vance and his people knew) or because, like Stalin on hearing about the first Atomic bomb test, he already knew.”
Speculation. No one in the room heard the shots. They sat there like dumb stumps far too long because they’re fucking stupid incompetents. BTW, did you see how Dan Fucking Scavino tried and failed to get a “USA! USA! USA!” chant going? If nothing else, they’re good at taking advantage of our current attention economy.
"I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed" Instantly is doing a lot of hard lifting there. He sat like a dumbass stump and had to be dragged out of his chair. That's because the people at the actual event didn't hear the shots, because they didn't even happen on the same floor. And the shooter was a GUEST at the hotel, so the guns were ALREADY inside the building, and he ran right thru the magnetometers and past several dumbass security before being stopped. Have you NOT seen the CC video? This was a massive SECURITY FAIL, not a planned bumblefuck. Good grief, get real.
Thanks for the plethora of "nonsense" I'll save to explain why it's bullshit. I'll just start with this one tho: "Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck?" Yes. WHY would you think that's an impossibility? And more likely "millisecond", singular. Because just prior to that millisecond, that bullet would've hit just BEHIND his ear, in the base of the skull. That's a kill shot, regardless of whether Crooks was an ace shooter or not. Would YOU put your cerebellum on the line like that for a "bump in the polls"?
Thanks. Not to be dismissive but I was hoping for a report more along the lines of two others I've seen that I believe came from the government printing office. These reports, which I only realized were in a common format when I came across the second, were blue soft-back books about 3/8 to 1/2 inch thick. One was on the Challenger disaster. The other was on the construction of I-70 west of Denver (An incredible piece of road and civil engineering by the way). Yeah I know, totally irrelevant to todays discussion but those government sourced books were of a quality that gave me a sense of pride and trust just from their quality and common formatting regardless of their subject or content.
While the report you have provided still doesn't include anything on the president's ear (which HE could have released (and you think he would as it would benefit his narrative) regardless of HIPPA rules) I do appreciate it. I just wish it was a presentation that inspired the kind of confidence and credibility I found in those previous government reports.
And do you expect a similar report on this assassination attempt? With repetition of the failures of the USSS? Like will these failures continue?
And thank you for your continued persistence with my replies. I mean no ill will to otherwise fellow anti-MAGAs. But I've seen the damage conspiracy theories can do to people and society, and it's a buggaboo I have a hard time letting slide. :)
Well that's a really important point. I'll come around to "Well it's impossible to tell what to believe" being a clear danger. Thanks for the discussion, Now I'll just wish it was in better order for anyone else following along.
There are other reports out there, but this one seemed to link to several of them so I thought it the most comprehensive to share. I wouldn't expect these reports to comment on his ear - it was hit, it healed. Basic physics and biology. And no, I don't expect a similar report on this current attempt, because it makes everyone involved look bad, like the bumbling idiots they are. If there is one, it will be a hysterical critique of the Hilton itself and 'crazed Democrats'. Because Trump IS POTUS now, unlike last time. But there's plenty of info showing that not only was the most recent attempt more of a security breach than actual assassination attempt (yes, it can be both, but the shooter never even got anywhere NEAR Trump, and the security agent who was shot was shot by ANOTHER security agent - whoopsie!) it's yet another bad review of the latest Keystone Kops episode than anything. Anyway, responsible and independent journalists have already done that legwork, and now it will just disappear from the front page because court proceedings are boring to a short-attention-span audience. IMHO.
Because I have a life and can't disseminate everything I know and have researched and saved for every single nay-sayer. *sigh* I said probably a YEAR ago that I should make debunking the Butler conspiracy theories my first actual subscriber Stack, not just a note. But then it faded. Now it's back and I haven't done it. Thanks for giving me a goal.
Well here we are again. I tried to format our conversation in Word but the formatting didn't copy well.
I might ask what's the sense of "saving it every single nay-sayer"? And then backing out when questioned by them?
II: Yes, but it was quite a while ago. Silly me for thinking this was dead and buried.
II: Me too. Keystone Kops gonna Keystone Kop.
II: See above.
II: I am in total agreement with your opinion. As for the team being high on their own perceived invincibility, we can only hope!
MF: I was referring to the Secret Service, not the local or state police. Even though I think the interests of the U.S. (and the world at large!) would be better served by Trump leaving office I find it ironic that his exit might be facilitated by overconfidence, or incompetence, of his protection detail. What is the excuse for the Secret Service allowing “Keystone Kops” to “Keystone Kop”? Are you hoping the Secret Service thinks themselves invincible while theyre actually a bunch of clowns?
II: Yep, I remember that. Bill Barr is an ass-sucking sycophant who’s finally fallen into obscurity, even tho he should’ve been hauled in for a congressional hearing for being such a lying POS.
MF: And who would have (and didn’t) haul(ed) Bill Barr into congressional hearings? That would be Trump, wouldn’t it? But Trump was Barr’s boss and in charge of Barr’s activities on Trump’s behalf. I also might ask who is most responsible for the failures in government caused by legions of “ass-sucking sycophants”, the ass-suckers or the ass being sucked?
II: BIDEN was POTUS when Butler PA happened. Not Trump. Not Bill Barr. It was 2024.
MF: And Biden should have done what? I’ll remind you that Trump is the president who has made the most use of the “levers of government” (think DOJ, FBI, and Republicans in Congress) to “investigate” his “enemies”. Biden, and his DOJ, FBI, etc. were more into the independence of said agencies and were not so hot on the “Unitary Executive” theory of government.
If there was more or more definitive evidence for the narrative Trump claims for Butler I’d think Trump would make the most of it. Where is the evidence that backs his narrative? If he had it, wouldn’t you think he’d wave it around and use it to excite his base? Kind of like “The dog that didn’t bark” if you get my drift.
II: Yes, his ear was grazed. There’s clear pictures of the minimal damage that was done to it. I’m sure there were medical reports. That’s what doctors do. That we’ve never seen them proves nothing, and there is HIPAA to deal with when one is a private citizen, which Trump was at the time. Yes, there is a tiny scar. It’s tiny because it was a graze on the itty-bitty fleshy part of the outer ear. That heals pretty quickly and cleanly.
MF: Was he grazed? Or was he wounded? Or was the “blood” even real? How convenient to cite HIPPA. That’s a reason for the doctors to not leak medical records to the news but the patient would seemingly benefit politically (something he always seems to want) from leaking medical reports (with gory pictures even) showing an actual wound and actual scabs and scars. But no, he seemingly healed miraculously. Who has those “clear pictures”? Are they behind the paywall you refer to? Or do they exist at all? Or are they just something you were told about? Which begs the questions “Who told you?”, or “What’s your source?”
Oh. Yes, the blood was real. Why would you doubt that, other than like the majority of people, you don't have an extensive experience with blood? I worked in a maternity ward. I've seen and cleaned up a LOT of blood, from fresh to ewww...somebody missed that glop. I know what it looks like, even depending on the light source. Yes, that is simply anecdotal, but it's experience and I learned from it. And not all blood is created equally. Arterial blood is different from venous blood. Birth blood is different from shot-in-the-leg blood. ALL blood, left to dry, turns black, and if left on a non-porous surface, such as a hospital floor, becomes almost impossible to remove. That's because of the iron in it. I could go on, but I have a supper to eat.
"And Biden should have done what?" Everything. It was his FBI, and his Secret Service, and being funded by taxpayers, he absolutely had the obligation and the power to investigate. " Who has those “clear pictures”? Are they behind the paywall you refer to? Or do they exist at all? Or are they just something you were told about? Which begs the questions “Who told you?”, or “What’s your source?”" The clear pictures are wherever you want to look, before and after. VERY clear pictures of it the day it happened, so you can see exactly where the wound was. PLENTY of clear pictures since there, where you can see where the wound healed. I really don't know why this is an issue. Even the Teleprompter Fragmenters at least agree he WAS hit in the ear. Ears heal quickly. They're full of blood and necessary for hominid survival, same as eyes and mouths. And it's not "convenient" to cite HIPAA, it's a fact. Facts are what are INconvenient to conspiracy theories.
This incident appears so fake and meant to boost his popularity with the segment that are not completely out of MAGA.
The very first time in the 6 years this thing is President, he attends the White House Correspondents Dinner and there is a “3rd” attempt on his life. Much like the Butler PA attempt, this was done to help him gain popularity with the public by appearing strong and rallying conservatives behind him. Why do leftist keep trying to hurt him I I saw a lot of online last night.
We are not, we just want him out of office and behind bars. We want him to stop enriching himself and his buddies. We want an to corruption and the pardons for those that commit crimes. We don’t want him as a martyr.
And to know that his first appearance is all staged for maximum gain for him, one of the first things he spoke about afterwards, was the need for his ballroom. He’s hoping he can convince a judge that the would have never happened if he had his gold plated ballroom and that he can turn the People’s House into one of his hideous golf courses.
Make me. We're in a epistemological emergency these days where the bullshit, paranoia and gullibility has gotten to the point that half the damn world cannot tell nonsense from reality. That's the point of propaganda. For many, it seems to be working, and I will push back any chance I get. You're welcome. BTW, if you'd like to read some interesting pieces about how and why we are where we are with this post-truth hellhole, there's several restacks on my profile. Maybe go have a look and get back to me. 🤔
He won't. It is NOT being investigated. His DOJ sucks. Doing his bidding and lying. The only investigate those who disagree with the dolt. The Retribution Regime.
Talk about missing medical records. The radiologist’s report of the CT scan he had in Butler almost certainly showed cerebral atrophy, most likely in a man of his age. That’s why it wasn’t released.
Yes Susan. And this time, he had something planned for sure. Was it this ? IDK but don't doubt it. If it wasn't. He just got lucky and some one caused the chaos before he could. Saving it for next time. Or mission Accomplished. Either way chaos and violence is his thing. Demented DonOld.
Huh? Wow, that's leaving a lot of doorways open to alternative realities. Keep and open mind, but not so open your brain falls out. No insult intended, but geez Louise.
I will not "get lost". I subscribe to this page and you're not the boss of me. JFC, lighten up, Francis. Your response clearly had no reason, I'm not a MAGGAT, I don't "both sides" anything, I'm on the side of facts and reason. I will agree that yes, I can be an asshole. I thought that'd be clear in my profile, but I guess not.
Yep. And it's still fun pointing out that the possibility approaches zero. I'm glad someone else in here enjoys debate with a side of snark and doesn't take it personally, unlike ramonaj, apparently. We're all here in Jeff's SubStack together for a bigger reason.
Yes. Your assumption, with zero evidence, is noted. Also noted is that an official investigation that would have turned up evidence has either never been done or was done and quickly buried. The lack of evidence is evidence in itself.
Good Lord, Did you even read the report? Or did you just find the "Task Force" web site and call it good? First, I am appalled at 1) How lax the security was at Butler and 2) How little improvement there was by the time of the Correspondents Dinner. Just an opinion here but it really looks like the "I am the greatest" attitude of the president has been sucked up by his team and they no longer have to be any sort of excellent (or even good at what they do). The continuing incompetence of security surrounding the Presiden is just another beginning of conspiracy theories that one of these days an attempt will be successful (with their help).
The other thing the report reminds me of is the memo Bill Barr wrote to get ahead of the Mueller report:
Yes, but it was quite a while ago. Silly me for thinking this was dead and buried.
“Or did you just find the "Task Force" web site and call it good? First, I am appalled at 1) How lax the security was at Butler”
Me too. Keystone Kops gonna Keystone Kop.
“and 2) How little improvement there was by the time of the Correspondents Dinner.”
See above.
“Just an opinion here but it really looks like the "I am the greatest" attitude of the president has been sucked up by his team and they no longer have to be any sort of excellent (or even good at what they do). The continuing incompetence of security surrounding the Presiden is just another beginning of conspiracy theories that one of these days an attempt will be successful (with their help).”
I am in total agreement with your opinion As for the team being high on their own perceived invincibility, we can only hope!
“The other thing the report reminds me of is the memo Bill Barr wrote to get ahead of the Mueller report:
Bill Barr said "nothing to see here" while the actual report said "if we could prosecute a sitting president he would be found guilty".
Yep, I remember that. Bill Barr is an ass-sucking sycophant who’s finally fallen into obscurity, even tho he should’ve been hauled in for a congressional hearing for being such a lying POS.
“At any rate, the "report" from "The Task Force" is their reading of a lot of evidence that is, well, more or less buried.”
BIDEN was POTUS when Butler PA happened. Not Trump. Not Bill Barr. It was 2024.
“Oh, and ear? Medical reports? Scar?”
Yes, his ear was grazed. There’s clear pictures of the minimal damage that was done to it. I’m sure there were medical reports. That’s what doctors do. That we’ve never seen them proves nothing, and there is HIPAA to deal with when one is a private citizen, which Trump was at the time. Yes, there is a tiny scar. It’s tiny because it was a graze on the itty-bitty fleshy part of the outer ear. That heals pretty quickly and cleanly.
Thank you. Fantastic job. The work you do is vital and it is such a relief to not have to rely on MSM to tell us, as if fact, what Trump tweeted.
The forensic question is unanswerable.
The structural one already has its answer: a society where half the country defaults to “staged” within an hour has lost the substrate.
They did this to themselves.
I agree, and I have no reason to believe this incident wasn’t staged. It seems to me that whenever the felon is in a place where he’s “painted himself into a corner”, there is an “attempt” on his life. These things are just a bit too convenient to be believed, imho.
Bingo, Sharon! Totally agree! Wonder what his next act in this regard will be? Bet I (well--we) won't have to wait too long. He really wants people (especially those who are "against" him) to feel sorry for him......
100% agree. I'm writing this 6 hours later when we know more. I've read so much that maybe Ben will check this out. I read that Press Secretary Leavitt said BEFORE the WHCD, "There will be shots fired...."
Oh, WHOA!!!!!!!!!!! Since you mentioned that, I interpret that statement two ways. One is that Leavitt said it more as a fear(?) that they would be. The other, of course, is that she KNEW beforehand that that was going to happen. To me, it was staged. Dump will do anything for as much attention as he can get.
I found out it was a clip of her giving an interview on Fox & it was reported by Acyn, so it's LEGITIMATE!! She talked like it was going to happen & she had a 'cavalier' attitude about it. It was staged so that Donald could get his golden ballroom! Toddler demands his new toy, ASAP!
It was a figure of speech. WHY would she give it away if it WAS staged? Makes no sense. In the meantime, enough evidence has come out to prove it wasn't staged that only the hardest core tinfoil hatters coukd still possibly believe otherwise, IMO.
Why would she give it away like that? This is classice conspiracy theory thinking: they're so wily and devious, but also so bumbling and dumb. They drop hints that are so obvious, yet only "I" see them for what they are. Saying "Shots will be fired" at a correspondents' dinner with an administration that's openly hostile to the press seems par for the course, same as Trump using the word "bloodbath" with regards to elections. They're figures of speech. Poorly used ones, but I don't believe they should be taken literally.
He paints himself into a corner every single day. That's eveidence of nothing requiring an assassination attempt.
Why would she give it away like that? These people are known for saying the quiet part out loud. This whole event gets more & more fishy. Someone from MT (Ben or maybe Scott Macfarland) has reported that Allen was denied counsel at first, was only allowed to see his attorney at first in a large waiting room within earshot of the prison personnel, & he was denied 'Brady rights". Not an attorney, but that is being denied a lot of evidence like ballistic evidence. His attorney (a public defender) finally approached the judge who ruled on a number of options, including contempt. Pirro is the inept prosecutor & she sent out a rigged video which is no where near the original one that was sent out right at the beginning by Donald himself (which is very strange). Now they've suddenly discovered 'a pellet' in the SS agent's vest (who was shot in friendly fire by another agent which the original video showed),linking Allen to the WHCD attack. It's beginning to look like the shooting incident was staged, so Donald could hold a staged press conference, not only to get his ballroom, but to have another excuse to declare a national emergency to federalize the midterms. Jim Jones staged several assassination attempts & shooting incidences to manipulate his cult & increase his approval. A simple search will reveal.
“Why would she give it away like that? These people are known for saying the quiet part out loud.”
False equivalence. Not at ALL the same.
“This whole event gets more & more fishy. Someone from MT (Ben or maybe Scott Macfarland) has reported that Allen was denied counsel at first, was only allowed to see his attorney at first in a large waiting room within earshot of the prison personnel, & he was denied 'Brady rights". Not an attorney, but that is being denied a lot of evidence like ballistic evidence. His attorney (a public defender) finally approached the judge who ruled on a number of options, including contempt.”
None of which proves it was staged.
“Pirro is the inept prosecutor & she sent out a rigged video which is no where near the original one that was sent out right at the beginning by Donald himself (which is very strange).”
None of these floundering losers are on the same page. None of the above surprises me. Still doesn’t prove it was staged.
“Now they've suddenly discovered 'a pellet' in the SS agent's vest (who was shot in friendly fire by another agent which the original video showed),linking Allen to the WHCD attack.”
Who is “they?” Jenine Pirro? I can’t find anything on legit news sites about this, only that “it’s said”. Still doesn’t prove it was staged. If anything, it would prove the guy didn’t GAF who he shot on the way to the target.
“It's beginning to look like the shooting incident was staged, so Donald could hold a staged press conference, not only to get his ballroom, but to have another excuse to declare a national emergency to federalize the midterms.”
Not based on anything you’ve told me so far.
“Jim Jones staged several assassination attempts & shooting incidences to manipulate his cult & increase his approval. A simple search will reveal.”
This is a classic “tu quoque” fallacy, which is: justifying an action or belief in said action by pointing out that another person did the same, which is a form of whataboutism. Sorry, Jim Jones, who was not a POTUS and could get away with a HELLA lot more without any oversight doesn’t prove Cole Allen was a fake assassin.
I'm not doing false equivalence. You obviously don't understand the term. You engage in attack, deflect, deny, distract, rinse & repeat. Leavitt said what she said, plain & simple. These people are simpletons. They are massively unqualified for the jobs they hold. Zev Shalev showed the video & discussed it. Allen picked the most guarded entrance, ran quickly thru it, with his shotgun pointed in a downward direction. The SS agents knew he was coming. According to Zev, someone from CA had told them Allen was coming. The agent that was shot was shot in friendly fire. A witness reported that when Allen was running, he tripped & the SS agents piled on top of him. The facts tell that he was denied seeing his attorney at first, denied talking in private,& denied Brady rights (including ballistic evidence). The Washington Post reviewed the high resolution surveillance video on Apr 29, & reported that Allen ran 60' through the Hilton corridor with his SHOTGUN POINTED AT THE GROUND. A SS agent fired 4 times. There is no muzzle flash from Allen's gun. The bullet holes in the wall match handgun rounds, not buckshot.6 shots in 1.4 seconds, ONE WEAPON FIRING. Zev has described this presidency as the one that cries wolf. The video is now consistent with the same theory. THERE WAS NO ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT. It led to a staged press conference where Trump toted a need for his ballroom. In his Substack, Zev lays out 7 reasons why Trump WAS NOT UNDER ANY THREAT ON SATURDAY NIGHT & HE KNEW IT. You can easily find his Substack post dated April 28. It's free. There's no paywall.
Exactly what happened is not yet clear: it appears law enforcement stopped an armed man outside the event [at the metal detector (Reuters)], and a subsequent noise alarmed dinner attendees and Secret Service agents, who rushed the president, the first lady, and other government officials to a secure location. Heather Cox Richardson
Trump is such a disaster. He is ruining our country.
He is messing up the whole world, not just us.
Forgot the solar system.....and the universe.....
Some security camera video from Sky News: https://news.sky.com/video/moment-gunman-runs-past-security-before-arrest-13536695
Thanks!
How come Karoline Leavitt knew this?
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tw9R4E--I2c
I didn't even look at the video but if this is where she said something like "there will be shots tonight" she meant verbal shots. Like he would give them zingers.
She probably meant from President Rickles who don't get no respect and wants us to take his wife please.
"Well take Donald Trump... Please, take Donald Trump"
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Just boldly, intentionally, laughing in our faces about how they will get away with another faked assassination and control the narrative.
Just hours before the White House Corresponds’ Dinner was supposed to take place, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt described how she believed the evening would turn out.
“It’ll be funny. It’ll be entertaining. There will be some shots fired tonight in the room,” Leavitt, 28, said during an interview that is going viral on social media, likely referring to the jokes that President Donald Trump was planning to make during his first-ever WHCD speech. “Everyone should tune in, it’s going to be really great.”
Prior to the event, Donald’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump claimed that the 79-year-old politician had reportedly hired “joke writers” to help with his speech.
“He’s got some great people who he’s tapping to help him with this, but he comes up with a lot of good material as you see on Truth Social, as you see live in the flesh, himself,” Lara, 43, said during the Monday, April 20, episode of Citizen McCain With Meghan McCain. “I hope that he roasts every journalist in the room and I hope I can watch it and enjoy it and I hope he just takes them all to task.” Yahoo News
Hi Robin 👋 👋
Hi Ramona! ❤
When will she ever have that kid and leave us all for awhile? 🤮
She announced Friday she was starting a 2 mo maternity leave.
GOOD!!!!!!
......groan......why can't it be forever?????????
The real hoax; poor Donnie needs sympathy from the voters. It worked in Butler, why not try it, again.
Bizarrely, Butler still hasn’t been investigated.
Are you kidding me?? Yes, it has. Very much so. Dozens and dozens of articles with illustrations, video, and digital recreations. That you don't remember them is an effect of the firehose of bullshit coming at us every single day.
No it hasn’t. The pro-Trump media is not the problem-Trump DOJ and FBI. He doesn’t even mention Butler; a narcissist doesn’t remember an assassination attempt? Get real. He doesn’t mention it because it was a staged event and because he wasn’t hit. Funny how his ear is perfect after having a bullet pass through it. No notch, no scar. No time out of the media eye for eeconstructive surgery. The ear-tampon was simply gone after a week. Because he wasn’t hit. He staged it, just as he stage last night.
I agree with you Mark. Also no medical documentation. No hospital emergency reports. Only doctor Ronnie
Not 100% sure about that, but I'll make it part of my investigation of the investigation. Remember: Trump was NOT POTUS at that time.
When felon 47 is involved he stops talking about it and insists the media stop talking. It’s his MO. Like in Butler, ordered Eric to push his mother down the stairs to her death, because she was due in court to testify against the trump organization. Epstein, Charlie Kirk shooting. I believe Erika and the felons regime were involved. Charlie spoke loudly about releasing the Epstein files. Now, last night WHCD which I believe was staged. How much did he pay the shooter? 47 is the boy who cried wolf too many times.
Charlie Kirk was shot by a dipshit too heavily invested in kooky online groups. What you believe is irrelevant. They have the shooter, they have the evidence, and Erika Kirk is just like everyone else in this fuckcluster of fascists: a fucking opportunist. That doesn't a conspiracy prove.
Trump wasn't POTUS when Butler happened, it wasn't his FBI to deal with. People lost their jobs. And his ear will not show a huge scar, because only the outer flimsy skin and perhaps a nick of cartilage was hit. That tissue heals pretty quickly and easily, no need for surgery. And I double-dog dare you to fake your assassination by letting someone using live ammo aim for your head. Y'all don't really think thru just how many people would've had to practice and get the timing of that just right, without a single person ever spilling the beans. Like no one SOMEWHERE would notice? C'mon.
Actually cartilage doesn’t heal. But that doesn’t matter because he wasn’t hit, it was the blood of the guy who was hit. And as professional shooters using the same rifle and red dot sight, getting a precise hit would be nearly impossible. Getting a long arm deeply into a protected area, and getting up on the roof of the shed meant walking not only past both secret service and Trumps own security, plus pro Trump audience members. And for your information because he had ALREADY been POTUS he had secret service protection and because it was a political crime (assassination if a former president and current candidate) the FBI would absolutely been involved. You’re a perfect example of a brain-dead MAGAt who will protect the Pedophile in Chief against any opposition. He’s a draft dodger, a pedophile, an insurrectionist, an adjudicated rapist, and a 43 time convicted felon (with 63 more indictments for fraud he’s dodging), and a war criminal. And you are dumber than a box of hammers
Feel free to share the results of an official (i.e., Congressional) investigation.
I'll have to find it again, but there was. Remember, BIDEN was POTUS at the time. Not Trump. And several people lost their jobs for their sloppy work.
I find it a bit odd that you claim there has been a lot of investigation and yet provide no links.
Maybe they've been censored? We know how the dump loves control and his puppets do and will do everything he wants them to.
I guess it was another post where I referred to Butler investigations being either non-existant or buried. But yes, that control can be achieved either way. But a censored/buried investigation can be leaked or show up at an inoppertune time. One that was never done can't.
BTW, because y'all Butler Truthers seem to have forgotten, Trump was not POTUS at that time. BIDEN was. It was the BIDEN administration, the BIDEN FBI, and it was the media when BIDEN was in power. NOT Trump.
I DO have a life and would have to look them up. But there WERE, and some people lost their jobs.
Because I have a life and this shit is coming at me at breakneck speed. How many would you like?
Boy do I sympathize with the breakneck speed! The flood of shit affects us all. But any link, even a single one, will give me something to untangle in my "spare" time. Thanks.
In the meantime, there's this to explore, and perhaps act on: https://cmarmitage.substack.com/p/i-filed-for-robertss-disbarment-then
Why doesn't that surprise me even a little?
It works on MAGA haters but not the rest of us.
Really 😂😂😂 you have a delightful day ☀️
Sylvia. Instead of scrolling and posting lies go to church and pray for the forgiveness you will need.
We know Sylvia. Not you. You go pray away your guilt for sticking up for a loser. No matter what happened . He is rotten to the core . Religion won't save his legacy. Nothing will
If by that you nean never miss an opportunity to propagandize a crime/tragedy, I agree.
He wants that ballroom,too.
So he can hide and bully thr world. He has already got a huge target on his giant ass. 🎯
Only when it benefits DonOld. T
Pretty much!!
I agree . Let's just posit, for argument's sake, that this guy who they caught was really someone who already thought he was going to "save the world" by shooting the people at the dinner, and was not a "plant" by tRUMP's associates. It doesn't matter if he was or was not. What matters is tRUMP and the "Sultans of Spin" will use it to their advantage.
My personal advice would be to keep asking those who disagree with us in our own personal sphere of influence to at least think about the personal purposes the current Regime has for saying what they say but doing something else. THEN, LET IT BE. It helps to keep their dignity intact while causing them to doubt what they have been "disinformationally" led to believe. If we as a nation want to be seen as good humans, then we still have to treat our fellow humans with dignity as much as possible. (Not like the ICE agents have been known to do). Patience and persistence tend to pay off, but no one can really predict exactly when. Hoping that each one of you has at least one joy you can experience today!
I will now get off of my soapbox and have a cup of coffee like Ben!
Patricia I hope you can find help from someone among your family/friends so you will be able to survive this really shitty time we are experiencing. My daughter, who works hard every day and makes a decent wage, still has a difficult time making ends meet, so I do get what you are feeling. I'm fortunate to be able to give her some help. Hang in there. We need good people like you.
I am so tired of this administration. I'm not one given to conspiracies, yet, there's so much about this that doesn't feel right. I just want them all to go away. Far, far, far away.
Yes, I know Will! Why would a guy have a shotgun if you are planning on shooting someone? Some reports heard nothing-no real details which with this group they would have some at least made up! I feel bad-with all the commotion Patel for sure spilled his drink-amazed he hasn't taken any credit yet!!
He was too busy running to the bar when shots were announced.
Yup-grabbing some bottles with nobody around!!
The shooter wasn't even on the same floor as the event, and very few shots were fired. Why would everyone hear it? And why would the guy not have a shotgun? Why did he have knives? Did he plan on hand to hand combat? Maybe? What difference does it make? These questions aren't proof of staging.
Well, I would say a big part of the doubt is Trump's ear! With a high-powered rifle the ear can't be perfect. Plus these people would do that-they turned their back on Ukraine and thousands more have tied! There is nothing they won't do to stay in power! Nothing!!!
Watch how experts explain what high-powered rifles can and cannot do. You're welcome. https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=Zcv6zf8T_7MOuW8N
Not convinced by a youtube video! I take it you are MAGA!
Thank you for your attention to this matter!!
It's a vid by experts that prove how bullets work. With shit tons of high-speed video evidence. Sorry reality doesn't agree with you. You're digging in, like conspiracy theorists do when confronted by evidence that doesn't align with their beliefs. Take a step back and admit you *might*? be wrong in the face of expertise? Thank you for your attention to this matter? I hope?
The ear isn't perfect. Doesn't matter that it was a high-powered rifle. The bullet is only the size the eraser end of a pencil and a small curl of flesh offers no resistance. It barely touched him. This has been shown and recreated by ballistics experts on YouTube. And no, these people are evil assholes, but they INCOMPETENT evil assholes. How can a dipshit like Trump, who is shocked - SHOCKED - that the little excursion in Iran turned the HUGELY important Strait of Hormuz into a worldwide economic clusterfuck, plan, rehearse, and execute such a situation as Butler PA and pull it off without a hitch? The odds are INFINITESIMALLY small. It only seems easy in retrospect, especially if you discount facts such as how bullets work.
It will, Will, you will see, Will.
Does any of it feel right yet? They have the guy, they have his info, his background, his guns, his "manifesto".. He's barely a blip compared to Butler PA. All he accomplished was a major security breach by the Keystone Kops managing the place. Of course, the administration took advantage of it, as did the media. Clicks, propaganda, outrage, then... all the investigation goes on in the background and everyone forgets it was actually real, actually investigated, and it is exactly what it appears to be, just like a school shooting: a lone wolf with a beef got pissed off, had guns to spare, and had a moment of spotlight that TRUMP is now hogging. It's so predictable at this point, but no less pathetic and every other past point.
Thank goodness we have Meidas Touch, Scott Dworkin, the Parnas Perspective and all the other independent journalists.
Wonder how long it took to get that stunt choreographed and rehearsed. Bargain-basement theatrics. What are we supposed to be distracted from now? Wonder, if any of those attending the dinner are “figuring” it out…they were played.
And lil mikey johnson too, this was a “staged theatrics” for the magat base. Perfect since donnie said he was attending (which in the past he hasn’t ever gone because they make jokes about the president. But the tell was to have the vp, speaker of the house, and several cabinet members, and the “apparent shooter” had a shotgun and escaped?? Too coincidental for me to believe!!!
No sympathy for them.
I loved Jimmy Kimmel's wee spoof of how it would have looked with a comedian compèring..
No,the shooter is in custody.
How at a formal function do you conceal a shotgun until you can reach the metal detectors? How did a kid with a long gun make it well inside the security perimeter at Butler? Because it was a staged event. Trump theatrics again.
Just to highlight the use of the rule of law and “alleged” could be used. Unfortunately, there is a dearth of facts about how a gun was discharged and who discharged it, I believe.
Security cam video from Sky News: https://news.sky.com/video/moment-gunman-runs-past-security-before-arrest-13536695
Sorry, my error, I had heard early report that the shooter had escaped.
I get it. My "early reports" had the shooter deceased.
And take the VP too-why?
Line of succession if president was shot, and then it would be speaker of the house, before any of the cabinet members.
Right! If President dies, then JD Vance is in until an election!
Credibility?
But travelling together has always been bad in case something happens to them both! It looks even less credible to me because of that!1
And if not. Maybe they got the message that this is going to continue to happen. . Do your jobs. Report the truth. They will sane wash this as well. Never learn.
Hey LM...I wonder how many of them were in on it... Bari Wiess, Ellison...FOX??
It’s even sadder now. The young man taken into custody seems just a sad treatise on the degradation of democracy. A young person’s reaction to…
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I do hope without much confidence the rule of law will be followed and justice will be done.
It took no time at all, as there's no evidence it was a "stunt".
I hope you are right and that all will be transmitted to the American people in a straightforward, professional, competent manner.
Never GONNA happen with this DOJ. We get their truth. Not THE truth
Didn't watch. Don't really care. It was obvious it would be a shitshow.and I guess I was right. Terrorist or lone wolf. Sort of like the shark or electrocution choice.
Yep, me too.
So in less than a day, this has been investigated to you ?. Thats the problem. Investigations that benefit stupid are "closed" so quickly The .ones that don't, never take place.
OMG, elect a drama whore addicted to chaos to get attention and HERE WE ARE. IT IS A SIMPLE AS THAT. The man is seriously mentally ill, always has been and SHOULD NOT BE PARADING AROUND THIS COUNTRY to destroy as much as he can or CREATING CHAOS. IMO every single person is affected by this lunacy, PERIOD!
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Without context I find it impossible to tell who you are calling "seriously mentally ill". A few years back it would have been obvious you were talking about the alleged shooter.
Most likely, we’ll find out eventually that it was staged. Too many questions arising from initial facts. Another ploy to attempt to reverse Trump’s sliding poll numbers and a Hail Mary from the Republicans in advance of the midterms. I suspect many of the comments online will be some form of “too bad he missed.”
If course it was staged- just like the last time- and anyone who believes different is just allowing themselves to be manipulated!!!!!
I would not be surprised if it was a distraction and a headline grab for the dinner over the Epstein survivors, and their outdoor slide show on the building next door.
Bullshit. Butler wasn't staged and there's no reason to believe this was either other than to feel smug and smart.
Just keep lying to yourself, MAGAt. Wearing your red hat, are you?! You’ve really drunk the koolaid.
I don’t know about smug, but anyone who is smart has questions about Butler, obviously.
Really? Where’s the notch in the royal earlobe? There isn’t one because he wasn’t hit and he was never out of sight long enough for reconstructive surgery. And given the efficiency of the secret service plus his own protective services, how exactly did some kid sneak a long gun deep inside the secured perimeter? And most importantly being a malignant narcissist he’d have clamped down hard on guns and crowed constantly about his heroic escape. He hasn’t said anything more about it because it’s escaped his little mind. Nobody forgets being shot unless they were only wearing someone else’s blood. And he’d be showing off his heroic scar every chance he got; cartilage doesn’t grow back and surgery to repair it takes time. He simply stopped wearing his ear tampon after a week. It was totally faked and you guzzled the koolaid.
Butler was staged. This is just the beginning of people trying to kill this asshole. No one else is taking action against his regime. The people are growing tired and desperate. The terrorists are just ready for it . Enable a dictator. Expect to see assassins.
Like, wouldn't there be quite a commotion about a shotugn being fired in a lobby!
Why wasn't he killed-they shoot people for nothing at all! Maybe it was a water shotgun for his kid? You just never know with these maniacs!!
Why kill someone if you can neutralize them and interrogate for more info in case they're not working alone?
Makes sense-but they never do that! They blow up drug boats when they could get the kingpin-they kill citizens when they could find a conspiracy! They mostly kill them to make up a story that can't be disputed!
One thing with this WH, logic never applies!
Why did they kill the shooter in BUTLER then.? By that logic, we would have the truth. But alas, he is conveniently. Dead.
Because they murder people to keep the secret. The plot was the Trump or his handlers staged it.
Exactly right.
How many fake assassination attempts will MAGA buy?
Hmmmmm! I wonder which stocks this made money for?
More survellance drones from Junior?
How many stars are there in the sky.
There's zero evidence any of them were faked. Taken ADVANTAGE of, sure.
There is zero evidence any of them were legitimate
Bullshit. Fucktons of evidence Butler was real. This one's still being investigated.
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If you believe Butler was a real assassination attempt, you just keep waiting for Santy Claus and the Easter Bunny
If you believe it was faked, keep believing in miracles cuz that's what it would've taken to miss that fat pumpkin head by an inch and a millisecond on PURPOSE. 🙄
No medical report because he was cut. Not shot. Doesn't want anyone to know that. Regardless of how, he took advantage and staged a photo op. One he uses on the regular..violent one of course.
Not if he wasn’t being aimed at…on purpose. He wasn’t hit because he wasn’t aimed at. The blood splatter on his face came from behind with drops streaked forward. A hit on his ear would have blown drops backward. Not to mention leaving a scar that would be obvious even had he had reconstructive surgery.
Links? Yeah there were people shot at Butler but evidence it WAS an actual assissinition attempt vs evidence it was a setup? There doesn't seem to be much evidence at all- Just twist and spin.
I’m not going to post a plethora of links to a paywalled site. We all know how to use Google.
There’s no investigation on the planet that tries to either/or real or faked. C’mon. You’re looking for unicorn farts if you want that.
There’s plenty of logical, reasonable evidence that there’s no way this could have been faked, and I don’t care what ChatGPT had to say about it.
Not faked as in it never happened. Faked in that things were done to allow the construction of a manipulative narrative AND things were done to make the dissimination of information to the contrary obscure and hard to dig up.
Even so, I am troubled at the historical events that push otherwise normal people to commit acts of such violence. Consider the killings of Alex Pretti and Rene Goode. What kind of craziness pushed those agents to kill these people when there was clearly no need? Then look at the craziness that pushes U.S. cvitizens to target the president. This IS NOT NORMAL, and neither is the TRump presidency. End the TRump presidency and we have a chance to go back to a normal that doesn't involve storm troopers and weekly protests.
It's not that the ever increasing numbers of the protesters are crazy, it's that what they're protesting against that has gone from crazy to dangerous. Just ask anyone anywhere else in the world.
No it’s not. But scream some more. The more a lie is told the more people will believe it’s the truth
Are you replying to me? I really ain't impressed with the "lines" SubStack uses to know who the hell is responding to who.
Nope. Team FUCK THIS SHIT. I'm only disappointed he didn't succeed. Again.
Of course not, since there was little to no investigation done. This administration didn't want to find any evidence of fraud.
There was plenty of investigation. Investgative journalism still happens. The only thing we didn't get was the medical report. But like tax returns and Epstein files, that's par for the course for this oh-so-transparent administration.
Investigative journalism? Really? Who? Fox News? There’s been NO criminal investigation. Period. Because the “shooter” was silenced. Permanently.
There’s mountains of evidence that it was faked, starting with his perfect, undamaged ear and his total lack of comment about it!
There also is no evidence any of them are/were real.
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Thank you for your message Ben. I wrote the same to my brother this morning. He staged Butler to increase his poll numbers (a Putin tactic) and now he’s doing it again. I’m just so tired of all his bullshit and lies. Thank you for cutting through all the propaganda and reporting on the truth.
I’m glad you didn’t attend just like so many others that stand on their morals. Thanks for always bringing us the real story and for always standing up for our democracy.
Yes Ben. Disney on Ice with your baby girl is time well spent. Im so glad. I missed all of it. Be safe . Thanks for everything .
Bob Acosta didn't attend, nor Seth
Much appreciated for this Sunday message. That man knows everything was staged - that’s one reason he left the White House for Florida a few hours to finalize the plans. Another Butler incident. This time to keep the news off the WARS and more importantly EPSTEIN.
Butler wasn't staged FFS, and there's currently no evidence this was either.
His ear just miraculously grew back? And why haven’t the medical records been released?
His ear healed like any tiny nick in the outer flesh would. The medical records not being released is par for the course for the guy who's also never voluntarily released his tax returns or the Epstein files. Trump was also a private citizen at the time. HIPAA might be something to read up on.
Give up about Butler INK . No one agrees with that. As far as this stupid dinner. He cried WOLF too often. So no one really cares.
Yet you threatened to report me if I responded to you again elsewhere. "No one" is doing a massive fuckton of heavy lifting there. Yes, he has cried wolf as far as taking advantage of such things for his benefit, because he fucking survived to be an asshole about it. And CLEARLY, a lot of people care, because I'm getting swamped with STFU and let me have my conspiracy theory comfort.
No info on the shooter. Seen climbing on the roof before the shoot. Questions. The pop up afterwards was the take away.
Tons of info on the shooter. Seen ON the roof before the shoot, security sucked ass taking care of it. One was actually climbing the ladder, faced him, and retreated when Crooks turned and pointed the rifle at him. This is all well-documented. That you don't remember it or care to review the info after three years in passing is on you.
Keep screaming “NO” and maybe it’ll be true. It was staged just like Butler was staged.
No, I'll keep knocking back the already and easily debunked nonsense people are clinging to for comfort. We all know Trump is a POS. Why the need for what would be incredibly perfectly planned theatrics? None of these people can plan their way out of a wet paper bag. Butler was real. Trump got MASSIVELY lucky by turning his head at just the right millisecond.
Glad you know TRump's a POS. The theatrics were to boost his brand.
Nothing perfectly planned about it. Too many holes. The secret service and Trump’s own security forces didn’t catch an untrained kid with an AR15 coming in? Bullshit. The secret service saw him up there minutes before and did nothing to neutralize him before he opened fire? Bullshit. He hit several people in the audience and onstage with a rifle equipped with a non telescopic sight but didn’t score a body mass hit on a fat man? Bullshit. Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck? Bullshit. It was faked from top to bottom. The golf course hit, staged. The White House Press Corps dinner shooting, staged. Trump has never attended before, yet this shooter had the wherewithal to book a room half a year in advance to an event Trump wasn’t likely to be at? In this case I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed (actually carried because he’s virtually immobile and fell down getting up) but exactly how in a city with open carry banned did someone armed with a shotgun move freely enough to even get close to the secret service checkpoint? And watch the video from Trump’s table. He doesn’t react at all to the sound of shots; Vance was already being moved. Trump either couldn’t hear the shots because they were so far away (Vance and his people knew) or because, like Stalin on hearing about the first Atomic bomb test, he already knew.
A more detailed reply. You're welcome.
“Nothing perfectly planned about it. Too many holes. The secret service and Trump’s own security forces didn’t catch an untrained kid with an AR15 coming in? Bullshit.”
It was OUTDOORS. The perimeter was loosely protected, and the building Crooks was on wasn’t even part of that perimeter. Whether Crooks was “untrained” or not doesn’t matter with regards to this statement.
“The secret service saw him up there minutes before and did nothing to neutralize him before he opened fire? Bullshit.”
PEOPLE saw him up there, and were warning of a man on the roof of the building that was OUTSIDE of the security perimeter. Additionally, one man DID climb up to that roof. Crooks turned and aimed at him and the man understandably dropped to the ground to avoid being shot. It was after that Crooks took aim at Trump because he knew he’d been spotted. And BTW, several SS people were fired over that bumblefucking.
“He hit several people in the audience and onstage with a rifle equipped with a non telescopic sight but didn’t score a body mass hit on a fat man? Bullshit.”
Watch the video again. https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=Zcv6zf8T_7MOuW8N We don’t KNOW what part of Trump he was aiming at, because the shooter is DEAD. But we DO know that assassins WILL aim for the head if they can. Blown-out brains can’t talk.
“Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck? Bullshit.”
Why? He turned to look at the chart that was being displayed. Just after the cop was threatened and dropped to the ground. Crooks actually did pretty well in that short panic of time. Had Trump NOT turned his head, he’d be dead, as is clearly shown in the above linked video.
“It was faked from top to bottom. The golf course hit, staged.”
The golf course NOT A HIT was a pathetic security breach. Of any of these, that was the easiest to fake because no shots were fired. Last I checked, that man went to jail.
“The White House Press Corps dinner shooting, staged. Trump has never attended before, yet this shooter had the wherewithal to book a room half a year in advance to an event Trump wasn’t likely to be at?”
*ahem* “According to federal prosecutors and FBI affidavits, Cole Allen booked his room at the Washington Hilton on April 6, 2026. He reserved the room for April 24-26, ahead of the April 25 White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Allen traveled by train from California and checked into the hotel on April 24”. These are records that can be accessed and confirmed. The fact that Trump has never attended this even before is irrelevant, so I’m really not sure why people keep bringing up this fact. Should people who want to kill him book a room there when he’s NOT attending? Seriously, WTF are you insinuating?
“In this case I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed (actually carried because he’s virtually immobile and fell down getting up)”
Speculation. And Vance sat there like a dunce and had to be grabbed to get off the fucking dais. They never heard the shots, which happened on the floor above. And it was funny as hell to watch Mr. “I could be an astronaut” fall his fat ass down. LOLOL
“but exactly how in a city with open carry banned did someone armed with a shotgun move freely enough to even get close to the secret service checkpoint?”
Because he brought the weapons in his luggage when he checked in. When’s the last time anyone at a hotel asked to dig thru your bags before giving you the room key?
“And watch the video from Trump’s table. He doesn’t react at all to the sound of shots; Vance was already being moved. Trump either couldn’t hear the shots because they were so far away (Vance and his people knew) or because, like Stalin on hearing about the first Atomic bomb test, he already knew.”
Speculation. No one in the room heard the shots. They sat there like dumb stumps far too long because they’re fucking stupid incompetents. BTW, did you see how Dan Fucking Scavino tried and failed to get a “USA! USA! USA!” chant going? If nothing else, they’re good at taking advantage of our current attention economy.
"I think Vance arranged it, because he was instantly whisked to safety while Trump was slowly removed" Instantly is doing a lot of hard lifting there. He sat like a dumbass stump and had to be dragged out of his chair. That's because the people at the actual event didn't hear the shots, because they didn't even happen on the same floor. And the shooter was a GUEST at the hotel, so the guns were ALREADY inside the building, and he ran right thru the magnetometers and past several dumbass security before being stopped. Have you NOT seen the CC video? This was a massive SECURITY FAIL, not a planned bumblefuck. Good grief, get real.
Thanks for the plethora of "nonsense" I'll save to explain why it's bullshit. I'll just start with this one tho: "Donald just happened to turn his head “milliseconds” before the bullet struck?" Yes. WHY would you think that's an impossibility? And more likely "millisecond", singular. Because just prior to that millisecond, that bullet would've hit just BEHIND his ear, in the base of the skull. That's a kill shot, regardless of whether Crooks was an ace shooter or not. Would YOU put your cerebellum on the line like that for a "bump in the polls"?
Anybody who can turn his head in a millisecond just snapped his own neck. You’re not even remotely intelligent but you are a MAGAt
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lollollolly lol. That's what the propaganda fatigue has done over the past 10 years. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/dems/peters-paul-blumenthal-and-johnson-release-bipartisan-report-examining-u-s-secret-service-security-failures-and-assassination-attempt-on-former-president-trump/
You keep repeating that. And you offer nothing further.
Here you go. You're welcome. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/dems/peters-paul-blumenthal-and-johnson-release-bipartisan-report-examining-u-s-secret-service-security-failures-and-assassination-attempt-on-former-president-trump/
Thanks. Not to be dismissive but I was hoping for a report more along the lines of two others I've seen that I believe came from the government printing office. These reports, which I only realized were in a common format when I came across the second, were blue soft-back books about 3/8 to 1/2 inch thick. One was on the Challenger disaster. The other was on the construction of I-70 west of Denver (An incredible piece of road and civil engineering by the way). Yeah I know, totally irrelevant to todays discussion but those government sourced books were of a quality that gave me a sense of pride and trust just from their quality and common formatting regardless of their subject or content.
While the report you have provided still doesn't include anything on the president's ear (which HE could have released (and you think he would as it would benefit his narrative) regardless of HIPPA rules) I do appreciate it. I just wish it was a presentation that inspired the kind of confidence and credibility I found in those previous government reports.
And do you expect a similar report on this assassination attempt? With repetition of the failures of the USSS? Like will these failures continue?
And thank you for your continued persistence with my replies. I mean no ill will to otherwise fellow anti-MAGAs. But I've seen the damage conspiracy theories can do to people and society, and it's a buggaboo I have a hard time letting slide. :)
Well that's a really important point. I'll come around to "Well it's impossible to tell what to believe" being a clear danger. Thanks for the discussion, Now I'll just wish it was in better order for anyone else following along.
There are other reports out there, but this one seemed to link to several of them so I thought it the most comprehensive to share. I wouldn't expect these reports to comment on his ear - it was hit, it healed. Basic physics and biology. And no, I don't expect a similar report on this current attempt, because it makes everyone involved look bad, like the bumbling idiots they are. If there is one, it will be a hysterical critique of the Hilton itself and 'crazed Democrats'. Because Trump IS POTUS now, unlike last time. But there's plenty of info showing that not only was the most recent attempt more of a security breach than actual assassination attempt (yes, it can be both, but the shooter never even got anywhere NEAR Trump, and the security agent who was shot was shot by ANOTHER security agent - whoopsie!) it's yet another bad review of the latest Keystone Kops episode than anything. Anyway, responsible and independent journalists have already done that legwork, and now it will just disappear from the front page because court proceedings are boring to a short-attention-span audience. IMHO.
Because I have a life and can't disseminate everything I know and have researched and saved for every single nay-sayer. *sigh* I said probably a YEAR ago that I should make debunking the Butler conspiracy theories my first actual subscriber Stack, not just a note. But then it faded. Now it's back and I haven't done it. Thanks for giving me a goal.
Well here we are again. I tried to format our conversation in Word but the formatting didn't copy well.
I might ask what's the sense of "saving it every single nay-sayer"? And then backing out when questioned by them?
II: Yes, but it was quite a while ago. Silly me for thinking this was dead and buried.
II: Me too. Keystone Kops gonna Keystone Kop.
II: See above.
II: I am in total agreement with your opinion. As for the team being high on their own perceived invincibility, we can only hope!
MF: I was referring to the Secret Service, not the local or state police. Even though I think the interests of the U.S. (and the world at large!) would be better served by Trump leaving office I find it ironic that his exit might be facilitated by overconfidence, or incompetence, of his protection detail. What is the excuse for the Secret Service allowing “Keystone Kops” to “Keystone Kop”? Are you hoping the Secret Service thinks themselves invincible while theyre actually a bunch of clowns?
II: Yep, I remember that. Bill Barr is an ass-sucking sycophant who’s finally fallen into obscurity, even tho he should’ve been hauled in for a congressional hearing for being such a lying POS.
MF: And who would have (and didn’t) haul(ed) Bill Barr into congressional hearings? That would be Trump, wouldn’t it? But Trump was Barr’s boss and in charge of Barr’s activities on Trump’s behalf. I also might ask who is most responsible for the failures in government caused by legions of “ass-sucking sycophants”, the ass-suckers or the ass being sucked?
II: BIDEN was POTUS when Butler PA happened. Not Trump. Not Bill Barr. It was 2024.
MF: And Biden should have done what? I’ll remind you that Trump is the president who has made the most use of the “levers of government” (think DOJ, FBI, and Republicans in Congress) to “investigate” his “enemies”. Biden, and his DOJ, FBI, etc. were more into the independence of said agencies and were not so hot on the “Unitary Executive” theory of government.
If there was more or more definitive evidence for the narrative Trump claims for Butler I’d think Trump would make the most of it. Where is the evidence that backs his narrative? If he had it, wouldn’t you think he’d wave it around and use it to excite his base? Kind of like “The dog that didn’t bark” if you get my drift.
II: Yes, his ear was grazed. There’s clear pictures of the minimal damage that was done to it. I’m sure there were medical reports. That’s what doctors do. That we’ve never seen them proves nothing, and there is HIPAA to deal with when one is a private citizen, which Trump was at the time. Yes, there is a tiny scar. It’s tiny because it was a graze on the itty-bitty fleshy part of the outer ear. That heals pretty quickly and cleanly.
MF: Was he grazed? Or was he wounded? Or was the “blood” even real? How convenient to cite HIPPA. That’s a reason for the doctors to not leak medical records to the news but the patient would seemingly benefit politically (something he always seems to want) from leaking medical reports (with gory pictures even) showing an actual wound and actual scabs and scars. But no, he seemingly healed miraculously. Who has those “clear pictures”? Are they behind the paywall you refer to? Or do they exist at all? Or are they just something you were told about? Which begs the questions “Who told you?”, or “What’s your source?”
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/dems/peters-paul-blumenthal-and-johnson-release-bipartisan-report-examining-u-s-secret-service-security-failures-and-assassination-attempt-on-former-president-trump/ Full of links. No conspiracy. This fucking muppet of a POTUS isn't capable. FFS, he has no plan to get out of Iran. But he staged a rally attended by hundreds of people and photographers and somehow made sure the bullet would hit ONLY the outer edge of his ear? The chances are minus zero. https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=Zcv6zf8T_7MOuW8N
Oh. Yes, the blood was real. Why would you doubt that, other than like the majority of people, you don't have an extensive experience with blood? I worked in a maternity ward. I've seen and cleaned up a LOT of blood, from fresh to ewww...somebody missed that glop. I know what it looks like, even depending on the light source. Yes, that is simply anecdotal, but it's experience and I learned from it. And not all blood is created equally. Arterial blood is different from venous blood. Birth blood is different from shot-in-the-leg blood. ALL blood, left to dry, turns black, and if left on a non-porous surface, such as a hospital floor, becomes almost impossible to remove. That's because of the iron in it. I could go on, but I have a supper to eat.
"And Biden should have done what?" Everything. It was his FBI, and his Secret Service, and being funded by taxpayers, he absolutely had the obligation and the power to investigate. " Who has those “clear pictures”? Are they behind the paywall you refer to? Or do they exist at all? Or are they just something you were told about? Which begs the questions “Who told you?”, or “What’s your source?”" The clear pictures are wherever you want to look, before and after. VERY clear pictures of it the day it happened, so you can see exactly where the wound was. PLENTY of clear pictures since there, where you can see where the wound healed. I really don't know why this is an issue. Even the Teleprompter Fragmenters at least agree he WAS hit in the ear. Ears heal quickly. They're full of blood and necessary for hominid survival, same as eyes and mouths. And it's not "convenient" to cite HIPAA, it's a fact. Facts are what are INconvenient to conspiracy theories.
Yep. Another "incident"...played-out almost like his spokeswoman called it...prophetically...just wondering outloud if hers was a Freudian slip...
That is a classic, “lots of shots”
Thats why Hegseth and Patel showed up. They heard lots of shots and thought that meant something else 🤗
This incident appears so fake and meant to boost his popularity with the segment that are not completely out of MAGA.
The very first time in the 6 years this thing is President, he attends the White House Correspondents Dinner and there is a “3rd” attempt on his life. Much like the Butler PA attempt, this was done to help him gain popularity with the public by appearing strong and rallying conservatives behind him. Why do leftist keep trying to hurt him I I saw a lot of online last night.
We are not, we just want him out of office and behind bars. We want him to stop enriching himself and his buddies. We want an to corruption and the pardons for those that commit crimes. We don’t want him as a martyr.
And to know that his first appearance is all staged for maximum gain for him, one of the first things he spoke about afterwards, was the need for his ballroom. He’s hoping he can convince a judge that the would have never happened if he had his gold plated ballroom and that he can turn the People’s House into one of his hideous golf courses.
This is what narcs do. I was married to one.
Come to think of it, didn't he want to have some kind of race course there also?
Butler PA attempt was politicized but it WAS an actual attempt. At the moment, there's zero evidence this was anything less.
Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over?
Because eventually it might sink in?
Omg......give it up.😑
Make me. We're in a epistemological emergency these days where the bullshit, paranoia and gullibility has gotten to the point that half the damn world cannot tell nonsense from reality. That's the point of propaganda. For many, it seems to be working, and I will push back any chance I get. You're welcome. BTW, if you'd like to read some interesting pieces about how and why we are where we are with this post-truth hellhole, there's several restacks on my profile. Maybe go have a look and get back to me. 🤔
There’s no evidence that YOU will accept.
You haven't provided any. All I hear is speculation and assumptions, a lot of it based on ignorance of easily verifiable facts.
It's staged, he lies and lies and lies.
Prove it.
He won't. It is NOT being investigated. His DOJ sucks. Doing his bidding and lying. The only investigate those who disagree with the dolt. The Retribution Regime.
Offer your proof. You have none because you’re a true believer with red hats and shoes and upside-down bibles he sold
Prove it wasn't.
Can't prove a negative. Logic and reason. Next!
Talk about missing medical records. The radiologist’s report of the CT scan he had in Butler almost certainly showed cerebral atrophy, most likely in a man of his age. That’s why it wasn’t released.
Assumption noted, zero evidence.
That is the problem, "zero evidence". No transparency. Change the story as necessary.
Believe me, I'll have an answer in two weeks. Answer doesn't come, reporter asks about it, gets belittled.
There is good reason why people don't put anything past what trump will do. He has written the script and continues to follow it.
Yes Susan. And this time, he had something planned for sure. Was it this ? IDK but don't doubt it. If it wasn't. He just got lucky and some one caused the chaos before he could. Saving it for next time. Or mission Accomplished. Either way chaos and violence is his thing. Demented DonOld.
Huh? Wow, that's leaving a lot of doorways open to alternative realities. Keep and open mind, but not so open your brain falls out. No insult intended, but geez Louise.
Hey . Get lost . I tried to reason with you and understand but your an asshole. Just like any other Maggat. Do not CONTINUE YOUR BOTH SIDES BS.
I will not "get lost". I subscribe to this page and you're not the boss of me. JFC, lighten up, Francis. Your response clearly had no reason, I'm not a MAGGAT, I don't "both sides" anything, I'm on the side of facts and reason. I will agree that yes, I can be an asshole. I thought that'd be clear in my profile, but I guess not.
Occam's Razor says Trump and his lackeys are too incompetent to pull off a faked assassination attempt. Don't burn brain cells considering it.
I burn plenty of brain cells; but, not over trump's doings. I have enough real life, day to day issues to contend with.
I don't want trump to get shot, not because I like him. I don't want any president shot, whether I agree with what he/she does or not.
This is still the USA and I want charges brought against him for what he has done that is illegal.
So far as his sickophants having the intelligence to pull off a fake assassination -- I doubt it; however, it is still fun analyzing the possibility.
Yep. And it's still fun pointing out that the possibility approaches zero. I'm glad someone else in here enjoys debate with a side of snark and doesn't take it personally, unlike ramonaj, apparently. We're all here in Jeff's SubStack together for a bigger reason.
Yes. Your assumption, with zero evidence, is noted. Also noted is that an official investigation that would have turned up evidence has either never been done or was done and quickly buried. The lack of evidence is evidence in itself.
This is SO classic conspiracy theory. Lack of evidence is evidence. Holy shit. And YES, there was an official investigation by the BIDEN admin. https://taskforce-kelly.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/final-report-task-force-concludes-its-investigation-releases-report
Good Lord, Did you even read the report? Or did you just find the "Task Force" web site and call it good? First, I am appalled at 1) How lax the security was at Butler and 2) How little improvement there was by the time of the Correspondents Dinner. Just an opinion here but it really looks like the "I am the greatest" attitude of the president has been sucked up by his team and they no longer have to be any sort of excellent (or even good at what they do). The continuing incompetence of security surrounding the Presiden is just another beginning of conspiracy theories that one of these days an attempt will be successful (with their help).
The other thing the report reminds me of is the memo Bill Barr wrote to get ahead of the Mueller report:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr_letter
Bill Barr said "nothing to see here" while the actual report said "if we could prosecute a sitting president he would be found guilty".
At any rate, the "report" from "The Task Force" is their reading of a lot of evidence that is, well, more or less buried.
Oh, and ear? Medical reports? Scar?
“Good Lord, Did you even read the report?”
Yes, but it was quite a while ago. Silly me for thinking this was dead and buried.
“Or did you just find the "Task Force" web site and call it good? First, I am appalled at 1) How lax the security was at Butler”
Me too. Keystone Kops gonna Keystone Kop.
“and 2) How little improvement there was by the time of the Correspondents Dinner.”
See above.
“Just an opinion here but it really looks like the "I am the greatest" attitude of the president has been sucked up by his team and they no longer have to be any sort of excellent (or even good at what they do). The continuing incompetence of security surrounding the Presiden is just another beginning of conspiracy theories that one of these days an attempt will be successful (with their help).”
I am in total agreement with your opinion As for the team being high on their own perceived invincibility, we can only hope!
“The other thing the report reminds me of is the memo Bill Barr wrote to get ahead of the Mueller report:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr_letter
Bill Barr said "nothing to see here" while the actual report said "if we could prosecute a sitting president he would be found guilty".
Yep, I remember that. Bill Barr is an ass-sucking sycophant who’s finally fallen into obscurity, even tho he should’ve been hauled in for a congressional hearing for being such a lying POS.
“At any rate, the "report" from "The Task Force" is their reading of a lot of evidence that is, well, more or less buried.”
BIDEN was POTUS when Butler PA happened. Not Trump. Not Bill Barr. It was 2024.
“Oh, and ear? Medical reports? Scar?”
Yes, his ear was grazed. There’s clear pictures of the minimal damage that was done to it. I’m sure there were medical reports. That’s what doctors do. That we’ve never seen them proves nothing, and there is HIPAA to deal with when one is a private citizen, which Trump was at the time. Yes, there is a tiny scar. It’s tiny because it was a graze on the itty-bitty fleshy part of the outer ear. That heals pretty quickly and cleanly.
My first thought this was about the ballroom!! I posted a comment on X regarding such.
I really do not care. He is such an evil human being. I never thought I would say it out loud.