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Welcome to the midweek edition of Legal AF, the podcast at the intersection of law and politics. I'm Michael Popok. I'm joined with my regular co-anchor, Karen Friedman-Ignifolo. And we sit at the intersection of law and politics so that you don't have to, at least not every hour, every day. We do it here on the Midas Touch Network.
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And today's curated topics, Karen, I think we need to touch on Judge Zinnis and how she's handling the Abrego Garcia case, the fact that in particular, she is getting one step closer. I think she's on the, I think it's 1159 and midnight when it strikes is going to be contempt.
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in the in the abrigo garcia case she's had it with the trump administration and the game playing she's had it with her them violating her orders she's done it properly she's waited a month and a half to two months to give the other side the abrigo

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Jane Garner's avatar

Ask Elon to please explain how he was able to get Trump elected. I'm banned from X. I think he manipulated some voting machines.

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EileenW's avatar

Trump has admitted to cheating 3 times on tv.

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Patricia Searles's avatar

He doesn’t care now he’s in office & surrounded by all his yes people. It’s like he’s testing his boundaries to see how far he can go & get away with anything he wants without getting penalized himself.

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Teri's avatar

I've read that there's good evidence he interfered with vote-counting machines in Pennsylvania. Trump just commented that he "didn't need Musk to win in Pennsylvania"-coincidence?

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Patricia Searles's avatar

I read that as well. Plus Muskrat got paid well too.

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Heather.B's avatar

When does Elon come forward with the evidence that he manipulated the election for Donald Trump, that they all cheated in this election and it’s nothing more than the biggest corruption of government in all of history?

What if the Elon/Trump fight is just two guys yelling at each other about how each one is more important and "successful" than the other?

Anyway, in this fight, we root for the fight! 🤣

The inability to listen to either Kamala Harris or her supporters has to go down as one of the dumber things ever. Too many people projected onto Trump the presidency they wanted, not the one he promised.

That's why I couldn't believe so many thought Trump would be better than Harris! 🤦‍♀️

That's why I wear this "Don't blame me, I voted for her" shirt every day 👇

https://libtees.dashery.com/products/74030236-dont-blame-me-i-voted-for-harris-t-shirt

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DebChilde's avatar

You know they cheated. Harris would get tens of thousands of people. Dump not many unless they were paid

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Ray C's avatar

The only people he fooled are those who wished to be fooled. They are responsible for him. Completely.

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The Rozweiler's avatar

He absolutely did but no one will take any action, God knows why!

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deebie14@telus.net.'s avatar

Yes, I would like to know also how he did that Trump elected and how he manipulative the machine to win Trump.

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Laura  Lopez's avatar

I believe Elon using Star Link rigged the Pennsylvania election for the Trump win. He probably rigged more.

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Carol Collins's avatar

Penn. Syl. Vania.

It is “possible.” Maybe. 🤔

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randi's avatar

I agree

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Teresa Johansen's avatar

That’s a good question

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Brenda Bridgett's avatar

Oh no kidding!!! Trump can be evil!

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Patrick Mitchell's avatar

That’s what he did ! Trump kept saying you don’t have to vote we have it taken care of. Elon and his son were on Joe Rogan the boy said my dad has something he is doing so we win. Then Elon said I hope it works or I will go to jail. Then Trump said oh that Elon knows those voting machines so well we won Pennsylvania big, we won so big Thank You Elon. He is rubbing it in knowing nothing will be done about it. Kamala had so many people at her rally’s that she had to turn people away. Trump was standing in place dancing to YMCA doing rude acts to a microphone. His rally’s were not full. There is no way he won every swing state. Plus all the other shady stuff they did like burning ballets, throwing them away, Russia bomb Threats where they had to evacuate the polling places.They turned away people saying they didn’t have the proper paper work. Martin Luther Kings cousin was not allowed to vote for that reason. She has been voting for years it was made up. It’s very sad. I’m mad at Biden for telling us it was a free and fair election. The assassination attempt was fake. I don’t know if the second one was but the first one was. He had fake blood of some kind slapped his ear on his way down to the ground. This is how the fake blood got on his ear. When they were helping him up he was saying I have to put my shoe on. If he was really shot he would be in shock not raising his hand saying fight, fight, fight. The guy that was shot was carried off by the guy sitting next to him. This would never happen the body would be part of a crime scene, the whole place would be roped off. Also the neighbors of the man who was supposedly killed said he had a yard full of Trump everything but took it down a few weeks before he was killed. I think he is in hiding somewhere not dead at all. I bet the family doesn’t live at that house anymore because they are hiding out with him. I wish the Democrats were this cunning and creative. I hope someone with courage and conviction investigates this. This would be the story of a life time. I wish I was an investigator. When Reagan was shot for real they got him to the ground not letting him up got him in the car and peeled out of there. They got him out of there in a couple minutes. Watch both on u-tube. Pay attention how Trump slaps his ear on his way down to the ground, look at the blood you can tell it’s fake. His ear would have been blown off with an AR-15.

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Patricia Searles's avatar

Thst was 1 of the 1st comments the prez joked about …that Elon knew the voting machines very well. Sounds like he manipulated them in prez favor - basically rigged it since the prez whined about wanting to be in office so much when the World Cup came…so he got what he wanted …& pays Muskrat for! Just my opinion based on all I read

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SueLyons's avatar

I agree.

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feminist warrior's avatar

Popok is it possible the ICC will indict Miller/trump/Bondi and company for violating international law on deportations?

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DebChilde's avatar

Don’t forget Rubio. That bastard

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Patricia Searles's avatar

They’re all unqualified for their jobs but do what’s asked of them - illegal or not. They need to be replaced with qualified & honest people who would speak in our behalf.

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Nancy Bainter's avatar

MAKE IT SO!

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Trump the felon is taunting the judge to do anything! He’s a lawless felon, that should not be anywhere near any seat of power! Particularly the presidency!

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Judy Cross's avatar

He should be in jail for all his crimes and corruption. Not a cushy prison either. He should be in with the mass murderers, because if his BBB passes he will be one. He's the most vile excuse for a president - even for a king like he wants to be.

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Eric Russell's avatar

Why do these illegals have to be sent to El Salvador to a prison for life just for coming into America illegally. Why is that a life sentence and why are we America being so cruel??????

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Joan Fregapane's avatar

Being in the country undocumented is a misdemeanor, but you’re right, they treat them like murderers and assaulters without any due process to prove that.

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DebChilde's avatar

I hope their families sue

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Becky's avatar

All we heard was $ being spent on illegals. No, the once upon 4 months ago the USA assisted 'refugees' as it always has ... give us your poor, etc. My question to MAGAts is why are they not whining about having to pay $20,000+ per person being sent to a prison when they are suppose to be deported back to their own country. No answers, just the laughing emojoi.

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DebChilde's avatar

The Trumpf administration are the ones being cruel. I hope these people are brought back because they should not be in a googol just because they came here.

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Vaughn's avatar

Trump just can't follow the law or the constitution. At least Biden followed the law and the constitution

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John Cook's avatar

Yes and Biden was a real President unlike that pos that. is intent on destroying America.

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Teri's avatar

Will Trump see any consequences, or just be labeled "in contempt"?

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Mesomachines's avatar

Trump is on a losing streak except with his MAGA base who thinks he's "giving them hell" Every day I see online comments that he's doing exactly what they voted him in to do. The centrist Republicans and Democrats have a huge lack of energy problem.

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Ballard Graham's avatar

The felon is telling us all as he has said many times: “I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT”!

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American Mom's avatar

But after he’s found in contempt, then what?

I feel that your reporting stopped in the middle..

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Discrete Music's avatar

Just one more week.

Then what? A “strongly worded letter?”

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John Cook's avatar

Or maybe a slap on the wrist .

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Teresa Johansen's avatar

I love you guys thank you so much

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Way to go Mayor! This lawless regime is totally out of control!

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Charlotte S. Miller's avatar

Let's not forget the role of Covid-19 in motivating some civilians to vote by mail. By the way, check the US Postal Museum at the Smithsonian, and you will find a photo of a mail-in ballot from the Civil War. So, we have more than 100 years of precedent when it comes to mail-in ballots.

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Get these evil foolish clowns out of our government. They are killing us, physically and mentally with there shenanigans and stupidity!

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Man! I really like the way that Popok breaks down these court actions and decisions! Makes it so much easier to understand and digest! Thank you Popok!

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Ella's avatar

Trump just doesn't want to go to jail. This is why he's challenging the courts.

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Greg Cummings's avatar

What sanctions can be imposed and how are they enforced?

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Fox.or.Ox's avatar

Why aren't the Tramp threats to the law offices Extortion?

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MJean's avatar

Michael how can your country initiate an investigation into the last election. There was definitely manipulation of the computers. One day Musk will spill the beans🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

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Daylily22's avatar

I first applied for a credit card in my own name shortly after it became legal. I was divorced, and as soon as the clerk saw that on my 1/2 sheet application I was given a second form, legal size, asking my ex husband’s information.

About the same time I purchase a house in my own name. The title had to have “femme sole” identifying me as sole owner.

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Elizabeth K. Baker's avatar

Going in person is impossible for many, many, many people. The US Postal Service is not reliable in many areas in the last few years. This is going to take so much people helping people efforts.

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Ballard Graham's avatar

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!

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Janecebell08@gmail.com's avatar

By violating the constitution in nominating and electing a convicted felon as president US citizens have been violated. I guess SCOTUS can overturn the ruling giving the convicted felon immunity to lawlessness. AG Garland has been accused in being too slow to bring justice to the felon, but look at the unethical actions still being carried out by the now AG (I won't say her name)

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Jeanne Schultz's avatar

Trump is utterly disgusting.

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Michael Doherty's avatar

Of all the incredible reporting on the internet, my very favorite program is Legal AF with Popok and KFA. Brilliant minds that I could listen to and learn from every day. Great program today with a little bit of sharing personal information about women, and last names, how far women have come, and yet how close they are to the repression of the past. Fascinating remarks that I can personally relate to and remember in my own life experience.

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Maggi's avatar

Please be careful about advocating against mail-in ballots. I have no choice but to mail in, being resident abroad, as do thousands of military, disabled, elderly and people with two or three jobs. In other words, many vulnerable people. We'd show up if we could but a lot of us just can't.

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drbilldean@gmail.com's avatar

The Devalued Dollar

What’s this inflation all about? The bottom line, the dollar doesn’t buy as much as it used to The dollar buys only half of what it did in the 1970’s In other words a loaf of bread, a car, or a refrigerator cost twice as much as it did in the 1970’s

This lack of purchasing power of the currency has gradually occurred over the last 50 years but if you go to the Commodities section of the stlouisfed.com and you can view this in graphic form Another way to talk about the loss of purchasing power of the dollar is called a devalued dollar

How did this loss of purchasing power occur? The central bank, aka the Fed, over the last 50 years has been footing the government spending by printing more money aka quantative easing(QE) to be put into circulation increasing the number of dollars and hence diluting the purchasing power of the dollars in circulation This has now led to a debt crisis for the government where rising bond yields with a deteriorated dollar value on exchanges Foreign investors of American bonds are wanting higher yields if they are going to service American debt

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Timothy Richley's avatar

Hell I bought a French door Sam Sung Fridge in San Antonio in 2015 for $800 left it with the house when we sold iin 2017 bought a new one at our new house in Eastern OK in 2018 for $1100. just sold our house and checked how much same fridge costs now it’s over $1800

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Earla Frank's avatar

Where are the Dems? What do they do -other than sit on their hands and whine! There should be adds running all over the news networks or even billboards re: how much we hate the abominable bastard and all of his lying bull shit!

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Romell Reed's avatar

elon helped trump get elected by donating hundreds of millions of dollars which really helps to pay for TV advertising, by plugging trump daily to his millions of X cult members on his X social media platform, by daily negative lies on X about Kamala Harris and the democratic party in general for a start. elon is one of the newest, prolific forms of republican voter suppression.

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Patricia Ebert's avatar

I kept my ‘maiden’ ( imagine I’m a maiden!) and gave my kids my last name as their middle names. It worked ♥️

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Jeanne Schultz's avatar

Alina Habba is an asshole.

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Sandee Alpern's avatar

Garcia's wife should sue the government for One Billion Dollars. Talk about giving the Supreme Court some leverage!!! 😲

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deebie14@telus.net.'s avatar

I want to know how Elon manipulative the machine in order Trump to win.

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Robert Lichtenstein's avatar

Thank G-D for you guys.

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Robert Lichtenstein's avatar

Sullivan & Cromwell are turning over in their graves.

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Robert Lichtenstein's avatar

We’re in this together!

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christopher wilson's avatar

Thank you again Michael and Karen.

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Cynthia Walsh's avatar

Great reporting. Thank you

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Brenda Bridgett's avatar

You guys are awesome!!

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Teresa Johansen's avatar

Good it couldn’t happen to a real awful man

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Klm808150's avatar

About the guns, I wonder if the justices that want to place a machine gun into every eight-year-old’s hand are rethinking that a bit given the powder keg we’re all sitting on. Not that I believe that they care one second about people getting hurt or worse. I just think they don’t want those guns in hands of people who are not their kind.

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ShelbyRae Lane's avatar

Elon just let the TANGERINE TACO know that maybe you think the judges can't stop you, but I can. I'm the one that bought your Congress, your Senate, and your election. Keep threatening to stop my government contracts and I'll make the Epstein threat look like child's play.

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Kathy H's avatar

I think Michael & Karen's personalalties add a lot to their outstanding legal coverage & by the same token, it's interesting to hear some of their thoughts more personal things like last names! I wonder my poor brain will ever be relieved of worrying every political angle. I think it's a great idea to pick a new last name for people who marry & wonder how that would play with voter suppression moves requiring more hoops for proving citizenship with name changes (for women that take husband's names). Is that an issue for other name changes? I wonder how that works for gay couples. The suppression would still serve the objective of furthering hetero male supremacy, while pushing trad wives & breeding. We have to get all these sewer clowns out of power, they are ruining absolutely everything.

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KathyR's avatar

I don’t have a car. I can’t stand for longer than a half hour that’s why I do mail in!!

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Maureen Thomas's avatar

Do you really thing there will be another election? I do not agree. Stop and think like that orange blob. He will find a way to stop any further elections.

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Pauline Wightman's avatar

So why don’t the children take the mother’s last name???

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Friedrike Merck's avatar

Giving the guest more time to speak would make the interview more interesting.

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Robert Lichtenstein's avatar

Waiting for Trump to cry “ Where my Ron Cohn?” Thank you both for your efforts.

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Beverly Russo's avatar

I love your seltzer bottles. And of course your podcasts. <3

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David Rutherford's avatar

Who is Frank? Why do you want to e him?

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MKL314's avatar

Michael Popok, I love your show.😁

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Joanne C Collin's avatar

Instead of standing up to Trump they pay him!!!! Afraid of Trump!!! Poor choice!!!

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Joanne C Collin's avatar

Good Alina needs to be out in place!!! She is one disastrous poor lawyer!!

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Marilyn Ritcey's avatar

Michael and Karen your programming is always informative and fully detailed. I enjoy the humour you also bring. Thank you.

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Vicenta Montoya's avatar

Love you Popok and Karen another great Legal AF.

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Margaret Redus's avatar

💙💙💙

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DebChilde's avatar

As fk

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Paula Jacobson's avatar

Great discussion. On an unrelated note: I have that same Brubeck album in my collection, Popok!

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ell's avatar

what does AF stand for in Legal AF

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ell's avatar
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i just wonder what does AF stand for in your name, Legal AF?

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Robert Lichtenstein's avatar

Hello from Princeton NJ

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Redangel's avatar

Why is Ted Cruz tweeting videos from 2020 pretending there current?

Even got a community nite!

https://x.com/redangel64/status/1931918456980644322?t=ACI-FAEnd3-j2hbozYxMiA&s=19

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Merri Ann Gonzalez's avatar

We love your tangents that you wander off on.....

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Leslie Crawford's avatar

6/7/25 5:00pm. Trump wants to bring the National Guard into Southern California against our protests. I am so mad and I don’t have any place to put my anger.😬😡

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Margaret Doner's avatar

I am so tired of hearing that Trump is doing something illegal and then nothing happens to him. The people around him go down but not him. If the January 6th event and the 34 felonies didn't do it and all the things he has done against the constitution hasn't done it...then we must all feel that nothing will. Right? It just depresses me to hear yet ANOTHER thing he did wrong and another judge going against him but yet....it flies away in the breeze until the next event. See you again tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow until he has destroyed America...and no one stops him. Who is going to stop him from committing crime after crime? Rule of law appears thread bare these days.

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Jarno Jokinen's avatar

"Trump’s attacks on women; his 96 percent losing streak in court and his escalating outbursts;" Worst is yet to come. Donald "The Beast" Trump is building a wall once again. Colossal tariff wall that is the beginning of the end for the system of down. At first the beast will pull the plug out of the global economy. The worst financial crisis of human history will pull a swarm of the banks underwater and the bank run begins. Then the beast will collapse a mountain of debt shattering the backbone of the monetary system causing a systemic risk to realize. Finally the beast will cast American citizens into a system slavery under the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan, just to "honor his legacy" count the number. After the destruction a new world order will be established in the US. And the Golden Age begins from the ruins of the world wide collapse. All of the system slaves will love it. No more cash - just digital transactions. No more traditional criminal activity. No more tax evasion. No more transactions without the "all seeing eye". Outcasts will hate the world without freedom, hope and privacy. To cover up the mess and distract the public by smoke and mirrors, the beast will engage in a war with Iran. Lies and deceit, corruption and decay, dancing on the graves will continue. Until; Black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come... I want to play a game. Time has come to opt out of the empire of filth. Live or die...

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Jean Conley's avatar

Love you all! So glad I found you and glad you're here!

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Judy Cross's avatar

I think that the law firms that didn't cave are real hero's. The one's that did should take their case to court and say that they were held hostage to join tRump and that was a crime. I think they would have a chance to win. They would be respected for doing that, but not respected for caving in. I don't know any of the legal terms, but do think with the way it was done, that they could get out of this situation legally unless they like being in the position that they are in.

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Judy Cross's avatar

Thank you to this judge. I'm so glad to see them standing for justice. We have had enough of the corruptness of this government. In fact, way too much.

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Governor McLovin's avatar

Karen, how is Luigi? We need that poor guy to go free.

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Ballard Graham's avatar

It’s simply a tradition that creative people have found ways around it!

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in the in the abrigo garcia case she's had it with the trump administration and the game playing she's had it with her them violating her orders she's done it properly she's waited a month and a half to two months to give the other side the abrigo