Mark is a businessman. It’s bottom line that drives him. I’m sure you could work a deal for autonomy if he’s making profit. Start discussions. Keep Musk away!
He doesn't need to make money all the time. Check out his Pharmacy. it's amazing.....and he surely isn't making money off that pharmacy. he does have a conscious and is concerned about people which is more than we can say about many others.
This person is entitled to have an opinion, even if it may differ from yours. It's incredibly rude of you to think that you are entitled to point out improper use of words in another person's post just because their opinion may not be one that you hold.
conscious and conscience are two very different words, so the fact that the wrong one was used and was politely corrected means you're basically finger wagging at someone who's making sure that the OP's meaning is understood.
There is no opinion on what these words mean, they're in the dictionary
Well I think I would disagree with it being described as politely corrected. There was no explanation as to why he felt the need to point out the difference, just a blunt comment describing the meaning of the words, written using quite a curious mix of capitalisations.
"There is no opinion on what these words mean, they're in the dictionary" now you are either being ignorant or facetious.
It's self evident why there was a need to point out the difference, because different words have different meanings. If you can't see that using the correct word in a communication only via text is maybe important to the message that's trying to be sent, well that's on you.
We can agree to disagree if you're not convinced, because I'm not going to waste another second arguing about it. Your quote of mine is me highlighting that these are matters of fact and not opinion, there's no secret meaning behind it. Just as there didn't appear to be any secret meaning about that person's distinction between two words that mean very different things but sound alike, until you made it a thing. Was it even your post he corrected? Why do you care so much?
I don't really know or care what the answers to those questions are but maybe you wanna ask yourself why you're having such a visceral reaction to meaning that you assigned yourself - and seemingly no one else did so.
Do you? Grammar is using the correct words and/or phrases in a sentence. She didn't use the correct word. You tell me, was she trying to say that they didn't have a conscience or if they were conscious? She used "conscious". So that wasn't the correct word. Quit being so hateful. We need to unite against the MAGA agenda. Fighting amongst ourselves is just what they want.
It's rather rude of you to correct me for letting someone know they were using the wrong word. I don't argue with her opinion. But there is no such thing as "a conscious." It may have been autofinish, and that can be reset. Please note I did not ridicule Ms Druding's opinion.
It does not really matter how you choose to try to get out of the fact that you made the decision to bluntly point out someone's error. It says a lot about how riled you are by my pointing this out.
Why did you feel the necessity of pointing out a misspelled word? We are in a fight to keep our democracy, not a spelling bee! Stay focused young MM! 🩷🩷
I can walk and chew gum at the same time and when someone says "they have a conscious" they sound silly. Don't tell me what to focus on, Lisa. Why did YOU feel the necessity to tell me it was naughty to point out that someone used not a misspelled word, but the wrong word? Hmm?
you're in the right here and people are doing what they do on the internet (which imo is one of the huge problems of it) , misreading the situation and using their self appointed righteousness to scold others.
The correct response to your post was "oh, you're right, oops" - and then keep it movin.
I once had an editor REWRITE a story I'd submitted without letting me see it before publishing. When I complained, she said every editor had that right (not true), and added, "My conscious is clear."
People don't read enough, don't learn to spell very well, and depend on spellcheck WAY too much. I make typos. If somebody points one out that screws up meaning, I fix it or say, "damn autofinish." Or maybe "whoops!"
This little microslice of 2024 life is a perfect caricature of what technology has done to our attitudes. Someone makes a well meaning post, uses the wrong word with a similar sounding word that has a vastly different meaning. Someone corrects it, maybe slightly annoyingly but not wrongly or in a way that denigrates original poster. People take sides, waste words judging each other on a matter that shouldn't have taken up more than 10 seconds of anyones day.
MAGA maybe full of morons and scumbags and assholes, but what boggles my mind are that the same people who call them out for it have their own very flawed version of themselves that they show to the world, thus talking out both sides of their mouth.
No one can convince me that my social theory about how asynchronous text only communications over the internet have taken up alot of time and energy on things that in a different world where people focused on more important things and had meaningful, real human connection, is flawed. I've been observing communication patterns (and also participating in them myself, I'm not perfect and I can admit that) for 5 years now and if there was one thing I could pick that no one typically thinks about when trying to figure out why things are on fire, it would be this reason. Just my take on why the culture seems so broken that I've almost self selected out of it.
I can't believe you two are still banging on about this.
Lee is it because you actually realise that you very possibly, maybe just a tad, could have been just a teeny weeny little bit kinder in the way you pointed out that lady's mistake?
It's ok to admit things like that, and guess what, I'm also allowed to take umbrage at the way you said it.
And here you are banging on yourself. I don't think there is ANY WAY I could have been a 'teeny weeny little bit kinder.' Any correction is seen as flaming. It's a shame I can't block all you "kindly" people who seem determined to lecture me on etiquette. I hope you mean it when you bid farewell. But I doubt it.
Whoever thought social media was a good idea, I don't think they understood human interaction very well. Asynchronous, text only communication has probably produced more pointless arguments and misunderstandings than anything else.
What people like that don't realize is that they're actually revealing their own intentions and projecting them onto other people, which is just another form of cognitive dissonance.
Case in point : the "banging on" she referred to was about 3 out of my day that I would have forgotten about had I not checked my email today.
I've found that I can type the word I want and as I continue on spell check changes it. So now I stop and carefully review my text before hitting send. Even then things slip through.
There’s probably a way to have someone invest in Meidas but remove them from any control. Jimmy Carter put his peanut farm into a blind trust when he was president; could something like this be done for anyone wanting to invest in Meidas?
Of course there is. And you may not know that the blind trust Carter hired screwed up his investments something awful. Look it up if you don't believe me.
He's also a savvy businessman and if he invests in MSNBC he will expect to make a profit. It can be win-win. Giving away 100% ownership...? What if Musk attacks it and tries a takeover. Altruism is a fine thing but you should remember that the super-altruistic doctors who discovered insulin, Banting and Best, SOLD THE PATENT for $1 so nobody would ever die of diabetes again.
And then the corporate pharma cannibals got it. It's best not to give things away that may need to be protected.
Not everyone is going digital. I am very random online. I get newsletters from MTN, a few others but I watch t.v. A lot! And I like a lot of the shows on MSNBC, tho' they do irritate sometimes. And, yes...I am a boomer....
That'll get you made fun of in some circles. Even though a lot of boomers voted for Harris--and a lot of younger people voted for Trump.. I'm a Boomer, too, BTW.
No. Musk's the same sort of psychopath Rump is -- and he's younger, and has way more money. He wants to see Rump destroy the Constitution and then make himself dictator. With narcissists it is ALWAYS ABOUT POWER OVER OTHERS.
true, but their personalities are not compatible. I believe people who are saying Trump is going to get rid of him are correct. dt already has all the millions in his pocket, he doesn't need more right now. He can't have somebody speaking louder and faster than he is.
We still need to see if Mark Cuban would be interested in something with MTN. Call it...anti-Elon insurance. We're not guaranteed that YouTube will always be there allowing all points of view. This way, MTN can get info out to so many others.
But they can't do it without the expertise of someone from the industry, like Keith Olbermann. Great and important as they are and have been, MTN needs experienced voices too. Enthusiasm is crucial & critical but time is short. This needs consideration, if serious, ASAP. IMO
Apartheid Clyde is a con artist -- not a genius. He's probably the only person who ever spent 44 billion$ on a company which he subsequently trashed. He's not good at ANYTHING but conning suckers.
the amount of money Musk has to play around with is dazzling, & that's what passes for genius - he plays them as soon as he sees someone start to salivate at the thought of the power they'd have for a portion of his $$$ - so to be called a genius because Musk has so much to piss away that his dribbles reveal the crap characters among us, well, call it genius if you want
You don't have to be good or care about others to be rich. And you only have to be devious to succeed in getting other people's money away from them to the extent that Muck has.
Yes. We need honest factual reporting ON TV. if Cuban (or anyone) is willing to put up the money and give MTN FULL CONTENT/CREATIVE CONTROL, then yes. That has to be the condition though!
Jan 15 is the date that douce bag get inaugurated...the irony of that date is...MLK birthday! Love it! The racist becomes president on the day of one of the most famous black person in the USA!
Wow great insight into the headspace of a professional. Ty, today I learnt from you, you/we never see or get to know the impact we make. Ty 😊 from across the pond...
Dont get me wrong I like Mark Cuban, but um, trump is sincere as well...at least a large portion of the US population thinks so....I say sincerely going to try to burn down this country with every fiber of his being.
Keep in mind that the Bezos with the WaPo left creative and content control to the management until he didn't. I believe, although I would need to research, that Patrick Soon-Shiong of the LA Times did the same.
THANK YOU for saying this! I think it's unrealistic to try to make a "deal for autonomy" when it's such a tenuous thing, in this capital-based society.
There's a way for Mark Cuban to help finance it without corrupting it, the MT people are smart enough to figure it out. Definitely don't make it so that they would be dependent on him till the end of time though.
Not that i have an issue with Mark Cuban but at the end of the day, people are protecting their own investments. I'd be more comfortable about the idea if Mark did it without any strings attached to it
Yes and a source that isn't priced al la carte would be nice. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but all the paid subscriptions are Nickle and Diming me to death. When the economy starts to contract don't know if I will be able to afford it.
yep I'm already cutting off non essential subscriptions and memberships, I see the economic writing on the wall. Everyone's trying to start their own premium media company right now, everyone wants my money. Money I don't have
I don’t like the idea of MTN having outside investors. You/ we have built a great network without that. At this time ongoing independence seems more
Important than anything else. That being said, it would be great if someone like Cuban purchased MSNBC ( not Elon) and wanted to enlist MTN as a program consultants to help position MSNBC in the future .
I do like this idea a lot. Perhaps this way MSNBC could even have Ben and others from MTN appear as guests to deliver their thoughts or news, or to debunk claims alongside whoever remains after the transition, but MTN remains entirely independent.
Adding in people like @BTC , Brian, John Collins, and others would be fantastic. There are so many that are currently independent who are really valuable to provide us all with facts.
I think your opinion is the best. It sounds like it would be the most sustainable and preserve MTN in the best way, while continuously getting the truth out.
MTN would have to establish a separate division to run the TV station. That way, any interference from the investor would be isolated from MTN's other operations.
This is what some here may not have considered: YouTube may not always allow a point of view such as MTN and their contributors. There needs to be some thinking ahead as to what to do if/when that happens.
Right now, it is imperative that we don’t let Musk and Rupert Murdoch acquire more power, and continue to dominate the airwaves with lies and propaganda.
Mark Cuban worked his butt off for Kamala. I believe he is a good person. I vote YES!
We may want to broaden the view with regard to potential buyers of networks/cable companies might be if a as they come available. For example, in addition to Mush adn Murdoch there are Chris Ruddy (Newsmax), Robert Herring Sr. (OANN), the Sinclair Group (was Julian Sinclair Smith), as well as a host of others.
He's a truly strong advocate and supporter of democracy. If we're not careful Kevin Oleary, Stephen Harper, Putin or Theil will buy it. Nazis need to monetarily nuked from society. Take away their money and it deflates them.
And what does MTN do if YouTube refuses to carry their content? Anyone think about what to do if that happens? It's all very well to maintain a politically pure stance but how to proceed if YouTube goes totally fascist? The only way I could go with this if Cuban started his own streaming service.
MTN is best when they have complete Content AND Financial control, answering only to their subscribers… and even then they maintain control. Mark Cuban is intelligent, level headed and a welcomed source of support (not necessarily ($$$); he’d make a terrific scheduled editorial contributor!!
It's worth a shot. Currently MTN is YouTube only, yes? What happens if YouTube will no longer carry MTN? Is anyone besides me considering that eventuality.
Absolutely. We cannot lose this important left leaning media. Medias touch is also an incredible media. The RW media has taken over and played a huge part in trumps win. We need a voice with facts and strong personalities to prove Joe Rogan wrong and to inform America with ethical and honest perspectives and news that counters the rights lies and propaganda.
Might be tempting as a thought experiment for a minute, but I think the strength of the Meidas touch is the fact that you all are independent. I would be afraid that an entity like MSNBC would bury you so stay independent, be our pro-democracy home!
My 2 cents is to stay the way you are online. Even if Cuban gave you free rein, you’d still be beholden to him in ways you probably can’t anticipate now.
Yes! Let him buy it but leave MeidasTouch out of it. It might be nice for awhile but eventually it would turn on you and your network would be just another corporate talking point.
Many regular people have an instant dislike or mistrust of billionaires. Obviously there is validity in their feelings. Marc Cuban is very concerned and willing to support our country and our Democracy. Not every rich person is a jerk or selfish. Not every poor or middle class person is a good, caring person. Meidas Touch has become very successful independent of any outside investors. There are people who would quickly lose trust in Meidas Touch for combining with MSNBC. Ben, so many details. Thanks for our input.
What worries me a great deal are the rumours going around that if MSNBC goes up for sale, Musk will buy it. And that cannot be allowed to happen. The Guardian is not corporate owned -- they are financed through a combination of subscriptions, donations and a trust fund that is mandated not to have any role in content. I wonder if a closer look at The Guardian's business plan/structure might give you some other ideas of how this might work.
Better idea. Continue to fully own your company, content & shows without outside interest and let Cuban license on a larger platform like MSNBC but not as an exclusive. You would keep your YT channel but be available to do live interviews on his network.
Mark is a businessman. It’s bottom line that drives him. I’m sure you could work a deal for autonomy if he’s making profit. Start discussions. Keep Musk away!
Absolutely, Musk definitely has to be kept away. And work out a deal with Mark that lets you run it and make it profitable for him, it’s a win win.
I love the idea but 100% autonomy.
Agree totally.
Autonomy is 100% critical.
KEEP MUSK OUT OF IT!!!
Yes! Cuban should buy MSNBC right now, before Musk can wrap his fascist fists around it. We can all talk about who should administer it later on.
He wants to buy everybody out and own the US and us that's slave laborers picture that with a Kodak
You’re not wrong. But he won’t be allowed to
He doesn't need to make money all the time. Check out his Pharmacy. it's amazing.....and he surely isn't making money off that pharmacy. he does have a conscious and is concerned about people which is more than we can say about many others.
CONSCIENCE. A sense of right/wrong is a CONSCIENCE.
"Conscious" means awake, opposite of unconscious.
This person is entitled to have an opinion, even if it may differ from yours. It's incredibly rude of you to think that you are entitled to point out improper use of words in another person's post just because their opinion may not be one that you hold.
conscious and conscience are two very different words, so the fact that the wrong one was used and was politely corrected means you're basically finger wagging at someone who's making sure that the OP's meaning is understood.
There is no opinion on what these words mean, they're in the dictionary
Well I think I would disagree with it being described as politely corrected. There was no explanation as to why he felt the need to point out the difference, just a blunt comment describing the meaning of the words, written using quite a curious mix of capitalisations.
"There is no opinion on what these words mean, they're in the dictionary" now you are either being ignorant or facetious.
It's self evident why there was a need to point out the difference, because different words have different meanings. If you can't see that using the correct word in a communication only via text is maybe important to the message that's trying to be sent, well that's on you.
We can agree to disagree if you're not convinced, because I'm not going to waste another second arguing about it. Your quote of mine is me highlighting that these are matters of fact and not opinion, there's no secret meaning behind it. Just as there didn't appear to be any secret meaning about that person's distinction between two words that mean very different things but sound alike, until you made it a thing. Was it even your post he corrected? Why do you care so much?
I don't really know or care what the answers to those questions are but maybe you wanna ask yourself why you're having such a visceral reaction to meaning that you assigned yourself - and seemingly no one else did so.
Good luck
Lee was correcting Victoria's grammar, not saying her opinion was incorrect or different from his/hers.
No, he wasn't correcting her grammar. Do you understand what grammar is?
Do you? Grammar is using the correct words and/or phrases in a sentence. She didn't use the correct word. You tell me, was she trying to say that they didn't have a conscience or if they were conscious? She used "conscious". So that wasn't the correct word. Quit being so hateful. We need to unite against the MAGA agenda. Fighting amongst ourselves is just what they want.
It was spelling, not grammar, and there seem to be so many people who DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE that I pointed it out.
No, you weren't correcting her spelling.
She spelled the word correctly.
I suggest next time you feel the need to point out errors that you do it in a more positive and kind way , and not such a blunt and offensive way.
I doubt very much if Ben used a wrong word by accident that you would leave such a blunt comment.
It's rather rude of you to correct me for letting someone know they were using the wrong word. I don't argue with her opinion. But there is no such thing as "a conscious." It may have been autofinish, and that can be reset. Please note I did not ridicule Ms Druding's opinion.
It does not really matter how you choose to try to get out of the fact that you made the decision to bluntly point out someone's error. It says a lot about how riled you are by my pointing this out.
Why did you feel the necessity of pointing out a misspelled word? We are in a fight to keep our democracy, not a spelling bee! Stay focused young MM! 🩷🩷
I can walk and chew gum at the same time and when someone says "they have a conscious" they sound silly. Don't tell me what to focus on, Lisa. Why did YOU feel the necessity to tell me it was naughty to point out that someone used not a misspelled word, but the wrong word? Hmm?
you're in the right here and people are doing what they do on the internet (which imo is one of the huge problems of it) , misreading the situation and using their self appointed righteousness to scold others.
The correct response to your post was "oh, you're right, oops" - and then keep it movin.
Sigh
I once had an editor REWRITE a story I'd submitted without letting me see it before publishing. When I complained, she said every editor had that right (not true), and added, "My conscious is clear."
People don't read enough, don't learn to spell very well, and depend on spellcheck WAY too much. I make typos. If somebody points one out that screws up meaning, I fix it or say, "damn autofinish." Or maybe "whoops!"
This little microslice of 2024 life is a perfect caricature of what technology has done to our attitudes. Someone makes a well meaning post, uses the wrong word with a similar sounding word that has a vastly different meaning. Someone corrects it, maybe slightly annoyingly but not wrongly or in a way that denigrates original poster. People take sides, waste words judging each other on a matter that shouldn't have taken up more than 10 seconds of anyones day.
MAGA maybe full of morons and scumbags and assholes, but what boggles my mind are that the same people who call them out for it have their own very flawed version of themselves that they show to the world, thus talking out both sides of their mouth.
No one can convince me that my social theory about how asynchronous text only communications over the internet have taken up alot of time and energy on things that in a different world where people focused on more important things and had meaningful, real human connection, is flawed. I've been observing communication patterns (and also participating in them myself, I'm not perfect and I can admit that) for 5 years now and if there was one thing I could pick that no one typically thinks about when trying to figure out why things are on fire, it would be this reason. Just my take on why the culture seems so broken that I've almost self selected out of it.
I can't believe you two are still banging on about this.
Lee is it because you actually realise that you very possibly, maybe just a tad, could have been just a teeny weeny little bit kinder in the way you pointed out that lady's mistake?
It's ok to admit things like that, and guess what, I'm also allowed to take umbrage at the way you said it.
I'll bid you both farewell now.
And here you are banging on yourself. I don't think there is ANY WAY I could have been a 'teeny weeny little bit kinder.' Any correction is seen as flaming. It's a shame I can't block all you "kindly" people who seem determined to lecture me on etiquette. I hope you mean it when you bid farewell. But I doubt it.
Whoever thought social media was a good idea, I don't think they understood human interaction very well. Asynchronous, text only communication has probably produced more pointless arguments and misunderstandings than anything else.
What people like that don't realize is that they're actually revealing their own intentions and projecting them onto other people, which is just another form of cognitive dissonance.
Case in point : the "banging on" she referred to was about 3 out of my day that I would have forgotten about had I not checked my email today.
I've found that I can type the word I want and as I continue on spell check changes it. So now I stop and carefully review my text before hitting send. Even then things slip through.
Hell yeah, Mark Cuban would be great!
There’s probably a way to have someone invest in Meidas but remove them from any control. Jimmy Carter put his peanut farm into a blind trust when he was president; could something like this be done for anyone wanting to invest in Meidas?
This would be perfect, to keep is out of Muskrat's filthy paws!
Of course there is. And you may not know that the blind trust Carter hired screwed up his investments something awful. Look it up if you don't believe me.
So sorry to hear that.
Do you suppose Cuban could buy a Supreme Court Justice as well? Apparently they are for sale.a
It's a chess game for billionaires. We lost because we had no microphone. Repubs own all the media. It's simple math but big money.
I like the objective of "discussions". The idea(s) that come from doing so - good ones and not-so-good - can have significant benefits.
...- I agree. 💯👍
Yes
He's also a savvy businessman and if he invests in MSNBC he will expect to make a profit. It can be win-win. Giving away 100% ownership...? What if Musk attacks it and tries a takeover. Altruism is a fine thing but you should remember that the super-altruistic doctors who discovered insulin, Banting and Best, SOLD THE PATENT for $1 so nobody would ever die of diabetes again.
And then the corporate pharma cannibals got it. It's best not to give things away that may need to be protected.
There's been reporting that Musk wants to buy MSNBC. Excuse me while I go throw up.
MEE TOO! DON'T LET HIM DO THAT!!!!! PLEASE CONTACT MARK ASAP!
Why do we care? Haven't you already stopped watching TV media? They're the same exact thing as Fox. Except for our side.
Not everyone is going digital. I am very random online. I get newsletters from MTN, a few others but I watch t.v. A lot! And I like a lot of the shows on MSNBC, tho' they do irritate sometimes. And, yes...I am a boomer....
That'll get you made fun of in some circles. Even though a lot of boomers voted for Harris--and a lot of younger people voted for Trump.. I'm a Boomer, too, BTW.
NO-we cannot stop watching or supporting.... WE MUST HAVE THE CORRECT, democratic, and TRUTHFUL commentary going out daily! Many times daily!
That’s the thing, though.. if Elon buys up MSNBC, there will be no “us”😏.
Fuck Space Nazi Musk, aka “Elonia” (Melan-ia, get it?).
Musk could easily enter the equation, and it would be a mistake to ignore him.
Some entities Need to be Ignored!!
You don't ignore a rattlesnake under your bed, Claude.
Not when they're a threat.
How would it be a mistake to ignore Musty? 🤔
Seriously? The same way it would be a mistake to ignore the lion that's about to eat you.
Has anybody learned any lessons yet about that
Apparently not.
He's talking about jumping into the equation is why.
I see him as desperate to be in Trump's orbit to the point of doing whatever Trump wants...a fluffer wannabe.
No. Musk's the same sort of psychopath Rump is -- and he's younger, and has way more money. He wants to see Rump destroy the Constitution and then make himself dictator. With narcissists it is ALWAYS ABOUT POWER OVER OTHERS.
true, but their personalities are not compatible. I believe people who are saying Trump is going to get rid of him are correct. dt already has all the millions in his pocket, he doesn't need more right now. He can't have somebody speaking louder and faster than he is.
We still need to see if Mark Cuban would be interested in something with MTN. Call it...anti-Elon insurance. We're not guaranteed that YouTube will always be there allowing all points of view. This way, MTN can get info out to so many others.
But they can't do it without the expertise of someone from the industry, like Keith Olbermann. Great and important as they are and have been, MTN needs experienced voices too. Enthusiasm is crucial & critical but time is short. This needs consideration, if serious, ASAP. IMO
Wannabe? He already IS.
Didn't nearly half the country vote for him to be vice president?
Fucktard trump could not even get a majority...He is below 50% of the popular vote. So answer to your question is NEARLY doesnt count.
RIGHT! EAT IT, rump jr. DT has no mandate- he won by a hair.
I didn't bother with the total count on his winning. I was looking at the group as a whole.
MUSK is never to be underestimated ! In chess, to win is to know your opponent as well as yourself , and think ahead!
MUSK is omnipresent in all current means of communications- from satellites to his social media platform.
MTN intrigues a genius mind and Elon is a genius.
Apartheid Clyde is a con artist -- not a genius. He's probably the only person who ever spent 44 billion$ on a company which he subsequently trashed. He's not good at ANYTHING but conning suckers.
Doesn't he just take others' work and claim it...kind of like Edison?
Yep. And like Edison, he has media access so credulous people tend to believe him.
Yep. Sadly.
the amount of money Musk has to play around with is dazzling, & that's what passes for genius - he plays them as soon as he sees someone start to salivate at the thought of the power they'd have for a portion of his $$$ - so to be called a genius because Musk has so much to piss away that his dribbles reveal the crap characters among us, well, call it genius if you want
You don't have to be good or care about others to be rich. And you only have to be devious to succeed in getting other people's money away from them to the extent that Muck has.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-teases-msnbc-purchase-x-trump-2024-11
Have u not heard??!
He is already very much in the equation, unfortunately.
Yes. We need honest factual reporting ON TV. if Cuban (or anyone) is willing to put up the money and give MTN FULL CONTENT/CREATIVE CONTROL, then yes. That has to be the condition though!
Plus Cuban hates trump
When Howard Stern left KROC to go to Sirrius he took Robin and the entire staff with him.
That was part of the deal.
If Cuban hates Trump and Musk is never a factor.....that is positive for sure.
There must be no changes in the staff, guest lists or regular contributors.
Do not rush into this.........amazing you are asking for our ideas.
Lots of preparation, research...timing so vital.......have until Nov 20 until the shit show kicks off
Not Mica and Joe
They can go have sex with themselves! I will never watch that show again! I’m sure Faux News can find a safe spot for them.
I'll never watch again, either. Turncoats!
January 20??
Jan 15 is the date that douce bag get inaugurated...the irony of that date is...MLK birthday! Love it! The racist becomes president on the day of one of the most famous black person in the USA!
Wow great insight into the headspace of a professional. Ty, today I learnt from you, you/we never see or get to know the impact we make. Ty 😊 from across the pond...
He has very good taste. What I see of him I like. If he’s sincere, I think that it would be good to have his support.
Dont get me wrong I like Mark Cuban, but um, trump is sincere as well...at least a large portion of the US population thinks so....I say sincerely going to try to burn down this country with every fiber of his being.
With the vote-count checks going on, it appears that Rump got slightly *less* than 50%. So it's hardly a mandate.
nope he definitely did not get that (mandate).
There is that!
They can shuffle off to fox… their true home
Keep in mind that the Bezos with the WaPo left creative and content control to the management until he didn't. I believe, although I would need to research, that Patrick Soon-Shiong of the LA Times did the same.
THANK YOU for saying this! I think it's unrealistic to try to make a "deal for autonomy" when it's such a tenuous thing, in this capital-based society.
Agreed!
exactly!
There's a way for Mark Cuban to help finance it without corrupting it, the MT people are smart enough to figure it out. Definitely don't make it so that they would be dependent on him till the end of time though.
Not that i have an issue with Mark Cuban but at the end of the day, people are protecting their own investments. I'd be more comfortable about the idea if Mark did it without any strings attached to it
No the LA Times changed and is very biased. They did 3 major things and I cancelled them as they were unreliable.
Patrick Soon is from South Africa and is friends with Musk and Theil.
I agree! The big IF is will he stay out of the decisions on formats and content.
I wholeheartedly agree with you Lisa.
Yes and a source that isn't priced al la carte would be nice. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but all the paid subscriptions are Nickle and Diming me to death. When the economy starts to contract don't know if I will be able to afford it.
yep I'm already cutting off non essential subscriptions and memberships, I see the economic writing on the wall. Everyone's trying to start their own premium media company right now, everyone wants my money. Money I don't have
I don’t like the idea of MTN having outside investors. You/ we have built a great network without that. At this time ongoing independence seems more
Important than anything else. That being said, it would be great if someone like Cuban purchased MSNBC ( not Elon) and wanted to enlist MTN as a program consultants to help position MSNBC in the future .
I do like this idea a lot. Perhaps this way MSNBC could even have Ben and others from MTN appear as guests to deliver their thoughts or news, or to debunk claims alongside whoever remains after the transition, but MTN remains entirely independent.
They are so busy already on Meidas! When would he ever see his new baby!? Not to mention his wife!
Adding in people like @BTC , Brian, John Collins, and others would be fantastic. There are so many that are currently independent who are really valuable to provide us all with facts.
I think your opinion is the best. It sounds like it would be the most sustainable and preserve MTN in the best way, while continuously getting the truth out.
Ben Meisalas listen to John O’Neill!! 🤓👍👍
Do you realise that YouTube may not always allow all points of view and that MTN needs to think ahead?
Agreed. Trump is going to try to rule over all media.
Please explain?
See John O’Neill’s comment above. Best way to explain.
GREAT suggestion!! I agree with you the most!
MTN would have to establish a separate division to run the TV station. That way, any interference from the investor would be isolated from MTN's other operations.
Great idea. But wouldn't it be nice to have a voice and platform as big as trump's little media slaves.
This is what some here may not have considered: YouTube may not always allow a point of view such as MTN and their contributors. There needs to be some thinking ahead as to what to do if/when that happens.
Oh, I really like this idea!
This is a good idea
This is an interesting compromise.
👍👍
I really like this. It will be hard for anyone to remain independent with what is coming. But we desperately need an independent network.
Hell yes! Please before that Russian agent Musk does!
Good point.
REALLY good point.
Shoot your shot. Develop a plan and send it to him. U have the numbers on your side. You’ll never know if you dont reach out to him
Nothing ventured, nothing gained as momma always said!
Right now, it is imperative that we don’t let Musk and Rupert Murdoch acquire more power, and continue to dominate the airwaves with lies and propaganda.
Mark Cuban worked his butt off for Kamala. I believe he is a good person. I vote YES!
We may want to broaden the view with regard to potential buyers of networks/cable companies might be if a as they come available. For example, in addition to Mush adn Murdoch there are Chris Ruddy (Newsmax), Robert Herring Sr. (OANN), the Sinclair Group (was Julian Sinclair Smith), as well as a host of others.
He's a truly strong advocate and supporter of democracy. If we're not careful Kevin Oleary, Stephen Harper, Putin or Theil will buy it. Nazis need to monetarily nuked from society. Take away their money and it deflates them.
I’m a no vote. I know it’s unpopular, but I fear that media dystopian practices will destroy the content.
I agree.
What if Mark Cuban decides to sell as Air America was sold for Sports Networks.
However I don’t know how to get the truth out there to the uneducated voters who voted for Trump and now or will regret it.
We cannot let even the nicest foxes (Billionaires) into the hen house.
I am sure there is a contractual way to remain independent BUT all contracts are negotiable; and with this SCOTUS down is up and up is down.
CONGRATULATIONS on keeping this information clean.
SCOTUS up is down…..Roberts court killed the experiment of democracy. Starting with CU and Shelby. Clarence and Sammy are a cruel joke.
And what does MTN do if YouTube refuses to carry their content? Anyone think about what to do if that happens? It's all very well to maintain a politically pure stance but how to proceed if YouTube goes totally fascist? The only way I could go with this if Cuban started his own streaming service.
He may need other partners to invest. Who would you suggest? He's not as wealthy as Theil and Musk.
I agree. This is a pipe dream. Sorry to burst any bubbles but let's slow down and process realistic goals.
Debbie,
I agree with you 100%!!
MTN is best when they have complete Content AND Financial control, answering only to their subscribers… and even then they maintain control. Mark Cuban is intelligent, level headed and a welcomed source of support (not necessarily ($$$); he’d make a terrific scheduled editorial contributor!!
Cuban is hands on. He can buy it and give MTN a few hours a day , prime time, and we compete with Fox for the first time.
It's worth a shot. Currently MTN is YouTube only, yes? What happens if YouTube will no longer carry MTN? Is anyone besides me considering that eventuality.
Another unpopular no vote here as well.
How silly.
Absolutely. We cannot lose this important left leaning media. Medias touch is also an incredible media. The RW media has taken over and played a huge part in trumps win. We need a voice with facts and strong personalities to prove Joe Rogan wrong and to inform America with ethical and honest perspectives and news that counters the rights lies and propaganda.
Additionally we cannot let Elon Musk acquire MSNBC.
Could be happening already!
VERY well said !!
Might be tempting as a thought experiment for a minute, but I think the strength of the Meidas touch is the fact that you all are independent. I would be afraid that an entity like MSNBC would bury you so stay independent, be our pro-democracy home!
My 2 cents is to stay the way you are online. Even if Cuban gave you free rein, you’d still be beholden to him in ways you probably can’t anticipate now.
And - consider the nominated FCC director who’s threatening to withdraw broadcasting certificates! Stay where you are. Be your own boss.
Has anyone considered that YouTube may at some point no longer be willing to carry MTN.
Uh, can you name any billionaires, that are not flying around on their private pollution jets trying to make their next billion?
Stay lean and independent. It is the only way to insure autonomy. However Mark Cuban should buy a network! ⚡️
Yes! Let him buy it but leave MeidasTouch out of it. It might be nice for awhile but eventually it would turn on you and your network would be just another corporate talking point.
Many regular people have an instant dislike or mistrust of billionaires. Obviously there is validity in their feelings. Marc Cuban is very concerned and willing to support our country and our Democracy. Not every rich person is a jerk or selfish. Not every poor or middle class person is a good, caring person. Meidas Touch has become very successful independent of any outside investors. There are people who would quickly lose trust in Meidas Touch for combining with MSNBC. Ben, so many details. Thanks for our input.
What worries me a great deal are the rumours going around that if MSNBC goes up for sale, Musk will buy it. And that cannot be allowed to happen. The Guardian is not corporate owned -- they are financed through a combination of subscriptions, donations and a trust fund that is mandated not to have any role in content. I wonder if a closer look at The Guardian's business plan/structure might give you some other ideas of how this might work.
I wonder if Cuban could set up a similar trust for MTM.
Yes, as long as reporters don’t have to pledge allegiance to him or the company
Of course they wouldn't
they always wind up controlling the narrative for the elite lords
Better idea. Continue to fully own your company, content & shows without outside interest and let Cuban license on a larger platform like MSNBC but not as an exclusive. You would keep your YT channel but be available to do live interviews on his network.
That would perhaps be doable but insist upon complete autonomy/control of commentary and content to Meidas.
I say yes, but only under extreme circumstances in the contract. # 1 MeidasTouch controls everything # 2-infinity-see number 1
Yes!
Oh hell yes.