Not only that she kidnapped them and took their passports so they couldn’t leave. She would threaten them by saying if you try to leave I will have your parents killed. Maxwell needs life with no parole or face death. Pedophiles can’t be rehabilitated.
Nothing unless and until the Democrats are in control. Even then, the republiCRAPS will prevent it--or the Dictator Deranged Psycho will push it in front of the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court, that has a majority of Dictator Dump-loving republiCRAPS on it, will veto it.
So, we change how we do it! Think about ALL the things trump has done illegally. Think about all the bogus reasons and arguments Republicans made the previous times. Realize it is a POLITICAL process and treat it as such, NOT like a court room with lawyers. Orchestrate it like a movie.
paint the picture to the public and the politicians will more likely follow.
Lots more... but the first step is doing it DIFFERENT!
I think our best approach is to instigate circumstances where they all start to turn against the other. Trump supporters won't accept his demise unless it's from natural causes or one of his own. They are just looking for an excuse to hurt liberals. Susie Wiles' recent statements are a first taste of getting them to start betraying each other.
How would "we" do that? Even if the House voted to impeach, it would mean as little as the other 2x meant since House impeachment without 2/3 Senate conviction after trial amounts to very little, mostly shame, of which he is incapable and thus has none. No impeached President has been convicted (Nixon would have been so he resigned).
I think "We the People" must continue with increasing, more frequent, and more message-sending lawful/peaceful resistance (economic boycotts?) and the hope some legislation (such as the now deferred until mid-January ACA vote) will serve to compel many at-risk GOP Senators and most of the at-risk GOP House Reps to re-evaluate whether they remain more afraid of 47 than they do of their voters (as the Indiana Legislature did in refusing to comply with his demands and threats to redistrict).
That pressure can be in the form of creating a website where we detail ALL his faults, flaws, crimes, abuses... with evidence AND organization to show how many times he did each. No other president has ever come even remotely close to Trump in their crimes etc... To impeach trump like he was a president who did one thing wrong will get you excuses why we should 'let the voters decide' or some other bogus argument like they did before. When you can show the dozens, if not hundreds of bribes, of not following the laws, of selling pardons, abusing power, prosecuting political enemies... Just listing the categories of the reasons for removing him from office is a major job, then listing ALL the cases of each reason, with evidence as well...
Democrats need a daily message on which to draw focus and proposed actions to take. They need a message of the week, each week, updated daily with documented actions taken to advance it and the results achieved, plus adjustments to be made. Mostly they need a long-term leadership message, not just (though I do not disagree with you, focusing on the clown sh*t-show that passes for government) but on what an alternative founded in reason, logic, transparency, achievability and a chance of success because backed by enough voters to put both Chambers in Dem. Control with immediate expansion of the Supreme Court as Agenda item #1. Then impeachment and if the Senate has 67 yes vote, impeach 47, starting initially by kicking out the demon clowns who pass as the United States Cabinet. First them, then him.
Impeaching Trump (and others) is only the first thing we can do once we gain control of congress in 2026.
We also need to start planning for when we also have the presidency. We may only have two years to fix the mess, build REAL guardrails and to fix that which allowed Trump to win in the first place, including the very real problems in our economy that spiral all our wealth to the top, where we need to make sure ALL the people are taken care of. There is real work to be done and if we do not help people feel the difference in those two years, we may lose the opportunity. To hit the ground running and execute a major array of policies etc and restaff the govt, remove ICE... will take serious preparation, but all I can see the DNC and DCCC doing is focusing on supporting specific candidates and fundraising.
When people can see you doing the real work they want you to do, they are more likely to donate. If the only thing they see is 'business as usual', they are not impressed, not excited, not donating.
Again, impeachment does nothing, only Senate conviction after that. How are we going to get 67 Senators to vote to convict? Amendment 25(4)(ii) is worse: "after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses" So it takes 2/3 of both Houses here
Prepare publicly in advance, which will help in the election (because in reality, Trump WILL be on the ballot), and when Republicans are badly beaten, and we have majority rule in the senate, we can set the rules. if we don't think enough Republicans will publicly vote against Trump, change the rule for the trial to a secret ballot, just like we use for elections.
Dementia is just another reason (Validated in 25th amendment) to place in the long list of reasons to impeach. Impeachment is ALL about removing from office. Nothing else. Can't be for policy reasons, but all the other reasons? yeah.
These laws are going to have to change. Obviously, they found a way to manipulate it and use it to their advantage. We know what they are even to reverse them. Simple as that we need to take our government back and fine-tune it that they can never do this to the American people again. PERIOD
Not only that Douglas we need to set term limit in Congress. These fossils figured out a way to make a lot of money at the cost of the American people. That’s because they’ve had years to think about it. It is time for the American people to say enough is enough and throw these idiots in prison and charge them with the full extent of the law. That is the only way the American people are ever going to trust this government again.
Is that possible given the Constitutional architecture and the considerate deliberation that went into avoiding what has happened anyway? Two examples:
[It] may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. ... [One] man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.
Emoluments
The Text and History of the Foreign Emoluments Clause
Kevin, it would have to be an impeachment of the entire administration. They are all corrupt. They should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That is the only way that the people of this country is ever going to trust this government again. You mark my words.
Sherry, it is clear how much thoughtful consideration you have given to issue. As discussed at length in this and related threads, impeachment would require 2/3 of the Senate to convict and disqualify and Amendment 25(4) would require the concurrence of the VP, a majority of the Cabinet and ultimately 2/3 of the Senate and the House to disqualify. I am left to wonder if the foxes will impeach the foxes for fleecing the hens?
We need to PREPARE for an impeachment that will flood the zone. No more mister nice guy. No more treating it like a courtroom, it is a political process and we need to treat it as such. Trump has been so incredibly prolific in his crimes and abuses of power, blatantly violating his oath of office, not enforcing or obeying the clear laws he is sworn to enforce. Pardoning insurrectionists, significant Dementia, selling pardons, accepting and extorting bribes. Each of these he did on massive scale and MANY separate 'counts' associated with each type of charge. MORE than enough is already in the public record. Put it together on a website and organize it so it becomes clear to everyone, even his followers, the actual depth and breadth, range and scale of his crimes and violations of his oath of office.
THEN we can take it to the Congress for impeachment. But it will be better if we wait for the Democratic majority in the senate. We got one shot to make it credible. If we try and fail, it will be much harder next time.
Douglas, thank you. What you propose to do and how we can get from here to there makes a lot of sense. It is a plan worth trying, because just asking someone to do it isn't.
That will help, but the Senate needs a "super" majority of Democrats to even make it even possible. The republiPUKES will NEVER let it happen as log as they're in control.
The GQP are all hoping he dies very soon, so they can Try to salvage a life after the present term. They all know that a longterm future in office has been erades, but they have to be able to live someplace without 24/7 security. If King Orange dies in office, Vance won't be able to scare anyone, and the Terrible Trio who are really running the country--Don Jr., Lizard Miller and Jar-Jar Kushner have no standing and have to fear legal repercussians.
They have to be (if only them) that he lives until after noon on January 20, 2027, so that Vance would not be disqualified from holding the office for 10 years minus 1 day.
"no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once"
Johnson may wish he had allowed a vote on the ACA subsidies extension. His members are going home, where they will be in easy reach of constituents who are affected by the premium increases.
How many will stay home instead of skiing in the Alps or sunning in Cabo? Of those that stay home, how many will have town halls or otherwise meet with constituents? Dems separately should propose legislation and take non-binding shadow votes to remind people of what is possible and more importantly what leadership looks like.
And also, in a show of bipartisanship, agree with the Republicans that it’s the insurance companies - NOT the Democrats - who are raising the premiums to provide better returns for their “investors”!
I believe that this past years town halls and the massive public outrage has the MAGA Elected Officials shitting their pants. Yes, the Epstein Files are a big part of it too. But make no mistake. Without public outrage and pressure on them, these MAGA POLITICIANS wouldn’t be saying anything against Trump and Mike Johnson. They know the USS TRUMP is sinking and they want a seat in the re-election lifeboat.
100%. IMO, the focus needs to continue and expand as you suggest. Dem Political campaigns need funding now so they can run ads in Aug -Oct. They also need candidates such as (like him or not, NYC Mayor-Elect Mamdani), who found a blend of politics and civility that appeals to NYC voters. Certainly not all agreed with all of his politics or POVs, but enough liked his can-do, will-do approach to put Cuomo to pasture (hopefully for the last time). Dems need not only a message but the means (demonstrated by articulation and action) to bring about results and personalities vastly different from current national leadership.
It’s political theater for these parasites to show constituents they tried but MAGA Mike prevented them from voting. They don’t care about the people in the country. They only care about themselves and their job.
Not their job, all the money they grift off their jobs! MTG needs to have a complete overhaul of her income while she was in office. Going from $700,000 gross to $25 million is not questionable, it’s obviously illegal!
To clarify, by caring about their job I mean keeping the job that provides access to wealth and power. There’s no question about the fact they made most of their corrupt actions legal for them to do. The likelihood of them being prosecuted for questionable practices that may be illegal is unlikely. So keeping the job is crucial. Doing the job as we might expect them to do it isn’t going to matter to them at all. It’s only the appearance of doing it to keep them in office that matters to them.
Who might be empowered and authorized to do so? Seems that it takes both House of Congress. If you know of something I am overlooking, please suggest. I love to learn.
NOT WOMEN…GIRLS😡
Aside from a couple of these monsters that are dead now several of them are still walking the streets preying on poor disadvantaged children.
Isn’t the professor that died a fusion engineer? 🤔
Jean-Luc Brunel ~ He was a French model scout. Committed suicide in prison in 2022 in France. He was pending a trial for raping minors.
Henry A. Rosovsky ~ He was an economics professor at Harvard and a dean at the university. Died from cancer in 2022.
Thank You for the NY Times article LINK! It’s awesome to be able to ready the full article without subscribing to the NY TimeS 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
THANK YOU❗️
My thanks too.
Maxwell should die in prison! She betrayed girls who trusted her😡
And take that companion puppy away from her!
Definitely.
Shhhhh........don't mention puppies because kristi gnome might come and shoot it.
Assign that puppy to an inmate who might be capable of re-entering society
AMEN! She's a PEDOPHILE and raped both girls and boys to groom them for TRUMP & epstein.
Not only that she kidnapped them and took their passports so they couldn’t leave. She would threaten them by saying if you try to leave I will have your parents killed. Maxwell needs life with no parole or face death. Pedophiles can’t be rehabilitated.
She needs to be moved to the correct type of prison. One that's safe for the other inmates and the citizens if she escapes.
Were they chasing “women” or CHILDREN????
Children
Both!!!!!!!!!!! The Deranged Sick Dictator Criminal Psycho in the Oval Office has done nothing but that since he reached puberty.
What the fuck is Oz going on about? There's NO children undergoing gender reassignment surgeries. NONE.
he is probably (also) in the Epstein files.
Absolutely. He's a fucking creep
It was a rhetorical question. I know exactly why they do it. It's just astounding that anyone fucking believes that bullshit.
I wasn't taking it as an insult. I was clarifying that I know exactly why he was spewing that bullshit. That's how this discourse thing works
Sweetie, you don't matter enough to me for me to be insulted. Your incorrect interpretation of my statement isn't my problem. Hope that helps.
When are we going to impeach this SOB? Are we waiting until after the elections next Fall?
He’s been impeached twice! Exactly what will one more impeachment do?
Nothing unless and until the Democrats are in control. Even then, the republiCRAPS will prevent it--or the Dictator Deranged Psycho will push it in front of the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court, that has a majority of Dictator Dump-loving republiCRAPS on it, will veto it.
Don't expect the Republican Senators to change, without changing how we do it.
**sigh** No, I actually don't.
So, we change how we do it! Think about ALL the things trump has done illegally. Think about all the bogus reasons and arguments Republicans made the previous times. Realize it is a POLITICAL process and treat it as such, NOT like a court room with lawyers. Orchestrate it like a movie.
paint the picture to the public and the politicians will more likely follow.
Lots more... but the first step is doing it DIFFERENT!
I think our best approach is to instigate circumstances where they all start to turn against the other. Trump supporters won't accept his demise unless it's from natural causes or one of his own. They are just looking for an excuse to hurt liberals. Susie Wiles' recent statements are a first taste of getting them to start betraying each other.
How would "we" do that? Even if the House voted to impeach, it would mean as little as the other 2x meant since House impeachment without 2/3 Senate conviction after trial amounts to very little, mostly shame, of which he is incapable and thus has none. No impeached President has been convicted (Nixon would have been so he resigned).
I think "We the People" must continue with increasing, more frequent, and more message-sending lawful/peaceful resistance (economic boycotts?) and the hope some legislation (such as the now deferred until mid-January ACA vote) will serve to compel many at-risk GOP Senators and most of the at-risk GOP House Reps to re-evaluate whether they remain more afraid of 47 than they do of their voters (as the Indiana Legislature did in refusing to comply with his demands and threats to redistrict).
That pressure can be in the form of creating a website where we detail ALL his faults, flaws, crimes, abuses... with evidence AND organization to show how many times he did each. No other president has ever come even remotely close to Trump in their crimes etc... To impeach trump like he was a president who did one thing wrong will get you excuses why we should 'let the voters decide' or some other bogus argument like they did before. When you can show the dozens, if not hundreds of bribes, of not following the laws, of selling pardons, abusing power, prosecuting political enemies... Just listing the categories of the reasons for removing him from office is a major job, then listing ALL the cases of each reason, with evidence as well...
Do THAT and you change the story.
Democrats need a daily message on which to draw focus and proposed actions to take. They need a message of the week, each week, updated daily with documented actions taken to advance it and the results achieved, plus adjustments to be made. Mostly they need a long-term leadership message, not just (though I do not disagree with you, focusing on the clown sh*t-show that passes for government) but on what an alternative founded in reason, logic, transparency, achievability and a chance of success because backed by enough voters to put both Chambers in Dem. Control with immediate expansion of the Supreme Court as Agenda item #1. Then impeachment and if the Senate has 67 yes vote, impeach 47, starting initially by kicking out the demon clowns who pass as the United States Cabinet. First them, then him.
Impeaching Trump (and others) is only the first thing we can do once we gain control of congress in 2026.
We also need to start planning for when we also have the presidency. We may only have two years to fix the mess, build REAL guardrails and to fix that which allowed Trump to win in the first place, including the very real problems in our economy that spiral all our wealth to the top, where we need to make sure ALL the people are taken care of. There is real work to be done and if we do not help people feel the difference in those two years, we may lose the opportunity. To hit the ground running and execute a major array of policies etc and restaff the govt, remove ICE... will take serious preparation, but all I can see the DNC and DCCC doing is focusing on supporting specific candidates and fundraising.
When people can see you doing the real work they want you to do, they are more likely to donate. If the only thing they see is 'business as usual', they are not impressed, not excited, not donating.
Again, impeachment does nothing, only Senate conviction after that. How are we going to get 67 Senators to vote to convict? Amendment 25(4)(ii) is worse: "after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses" So it takes 2/3 of both Houses here
Source: Amendment 25, Section 4, Clause 2: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/
Prepare publicly in advance, which will help in the election (because in reality, Trump WILL be on the ballot), and when Republicans are badly beaten, and we have majority rule in the senate, we can set the rules. if we don't think enough Republicans will publicly vote against Trump, change the rule for the trial to a secret ballot, just like we use for elections.
Dementia is just another reason (Validated in 25th amendment) to place in the long list of reasons to impeach. Impeachment is ALL about removing from office. Nothing else. Can't be for policy reasons, but all the other reasons? yeah.
These laws are going to have to change. Obviously, they found a way to manipulate it and use it to their advantage. We know what they are even to reverse them. Simple as that we need to take our government back and fine-tune it that they can never do this to the American people again. PERIOD
Not only that Douglas we need to set term limit in Congress. These fossils figured out a way to make a lot of money at the cost of the American people. That’s because they’ve had years to think about it. It is time for the American people to say enough is enough and throw these idiots in prison and charge them with the full extent of the law. That is the only way the American people are ever going to trust this government again.
Is that possible given the Constitutional architecture and the considerate deliberation that went into avoiding what has happened anyway? Two examples:
Pardons
The Federalist Papers : No. 74 [including] Pardoning Power of the Executive (Hamilton) https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed74.asp
[It] may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. ... [One] man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.
Emoluments
The Text and History of the Foreign Emoluments Clause
https://www.theusconstitution.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/The-Text-and-History-of-the-Foreign-Emoluments-Clause.pdf
America’s Founders believed that corruption and foreign influence were among the gravest threats to our nation.
Text of the Foreign Emoluments Clause, U.S. Const. art. I, § 9, cl. 8.
The Founders Feared a Corrupt Government
The Founders Feared Foreign Influence
The Founders Mandated Congressional Approval of Foreign Emoluments to Reduce Potential Corruption and Foreign Influence
The Founders Drafted the Foreign Emoluments Clause with Sweeping and Unqualified Language
Good Lord, I been thinking that exact thing and trying to figure out how to word it...Well put! I am thankful for intelligent like you
You are very kind, Thomas. Thank you (not saying I deserve it but thank you, just the same). 🙏
Kevin, it would have to be an impeachment of the entire administration. They are all corrupt. They should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That is the only way that the people of this country is ever going to trust this government again. You mark my words.
Sherry, it is clear how much thoughtful consideration you have given to issue. As discussed at length in this and related threads, impeachment would require 2/3 of the Senate to convict and disqualify and Amendment 25(4) would require the concurrence of the VP, a majority of the Cabinet and ultimately 2/3 of the Senate and the House to disqualify. I am left to wonder if the foxes will impeach the foxes for fleecing the hens?
We need to PREPARE for an impeachment that will flood the zone. No more mister nice guy. No more treating it like a courtroom, it is a political process and we need to treat it as such. Trump has been so incredibly prolific in his crimes and abuses of power, blatantly violating his oath of office, not enforcing or obeying the clear laws he is sworn to enforce. Pardoning insurrectionists, significant Dementia, selling pardons, accepting and extorting bribes. Each of these he did on massive scale and MANY separate 'counts' associated with each type of charge. MORE than enough is already in the public record. Put it together on a website and organize it so it becomes clear to everyone, even his followers, the actual depth and breadth, range and scale of his crimes and violations of his oath of office.
THEN we can take it to the Congress for impeachment. But it will be better if we wait for the Democratic majority in the senate. We got one shot to make it credible. If we try and fail, it will be much harder next time.
Douglas, thank you. What you propose to do and how we can get from here to there makes a lot of sense. It is a plan worth trying, because just asking someone to do it isn't.
That will help, but the Senate needs a "super" majority of Democrats to even make it even possible. The republiPUKES will NEVER let it happen as log as they're in control.
Arrest. Cut right to the chase.
The GQP are all hoping he dies very soon, so they can Try to salvage a life after the present term. They all know that a longterm future in office has been erades, but they have to be able to live someplace without 24/7 security. If King Orange dies in office, Vance won't be able to scare anyone, and the Terrible Trio who are really running the country--Don Jr., Lizard Miller and Jar-Jar Kushner have no standing and have to fear legal repercussians.
They have to be (if only them) that he lives until after noon on January 20, 2027, so that Vance would not be disqualified from holding the office for 10 years minus 1 day.
"no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once"
Twenty Second Amendment, Section 1: https://tinyurl.com/54cmyyja
It will always be The Kennedy Center.
NEVER EVER EVER trump
I would like Dr. Oz to shrivel away. He loves taking people’s money
The same applies to RFK, who knows NOTHING about health.
Johnson may wish he had allowed a vote on the ACA subsidies extension. His members are going home, where they will be in easy reach of constituents who are affected by the premium increases.
How many will stay home instead of skiing in the Alps or sunning in Cabo? Of those that stay home, how many will have town halls or otherwise meet with constituents? Dems separately should propose legislation and take non-binding shadow votes to remind people of what is possible and more importantly what leadership looks like.
And also, in a show of bipartisanship, agree with the Republicans that it’s the insurance companies - NOT the Democrats - who are raising the premiums to provide better returns for their “investors”!
I believe that this past years town halls and the massive public outrage has the MAGA Elected Officials shitting their pants. Yes, the Epstein Files are a big part of it too. But make no mistake. Without public outrage and pressure on them, these MAGA POLITICIANS wouldn’t be saying anything against Trump and Mike Johnson. They know the USS TRUMP is sinking and they want a seat in the re-election lifeboat.
100%. IMO, the focus needs to continue and expand as you suggest. Dem Political campaigns need funding now so they can run ads in Aug -Oct. They also need candidates such as (like him or not, NYC Mayor-Elect Mamdani), who found a blend of politics and civility that appeals to NYC voters. Certainly not all agreed with all of his politics or POVs, but enough liked his can-do, will-do approach to put Cuomo to pasture (hopefully for the last time). Dems need not only a message but the means (demonstrated by articulation and action) to bring about results and personalities vastly different from current national leadership.
The speaker is a coward. How many days have these Republicans worked for America in 2025?
Why hasn’t Johnson been thrown out when they so easily did it to his predecessor???
he is a Trump Loyalist.
None.
It’s political theater for these parasites to show constituents they tried but MAGA Mike prevented them from voting. They don’t care about the people in the country. They only care about themselves and their job.
Not their job, all the money they grift off their jobs! MTG needs to have a complete overhaul of her income while she was in office. Going from $700,000 gross to $25 million is not questionable, it’s obviously illegal!
To clarify, by caring about their job I mean keeping the job that provides access to wealth and power. There’s no question about the fact they made most of their corrupt actions legal for them to do. The likelihood of them being prosecuted for questionable practices that may be illegal is unlikely. So keeping the job is crucial. Doing the job as we might expect them to do it isn’t going to matter to them at all. It’s only the appearance of doing it to keep them in office that matters to them.
There’s a special place in HELL for these Liars 😡
With giant pineapples awaiting them🤣
It just looks disgusting. We aren’t stupid. You can clearly see what it is.
not everyone in America is stupid.
Someone else needs to procedurally take that vote on the ACA😡
Who might be empowered and authorized to do so? Seems that it takes both House of Congress. If you know of something I am overlooking, please suggest. I love to learn.
Makes you wonder if magat mike has a financial stake in the insurance industry…
YOU KNOW HOW TO REMOVE MAGA MIKE!
DO IT😡