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Mike Hammer's avatar

I’m loving this “late night maga fight” and as crazy as Loomer is, I would be in her corner if I had to pick one. Let JD sit this one out on a couch somewhere.

TriTorch's avatar

Yes, you are watching a professional wrestling match, and Trump and his "enemies" sold tickets:

Ten Ways the 1% Who Have Disdain for You Are Manipulating You Right Now by @thewisewolf

1) The first manipulation is the illusion of choice. You think you have two parties representing different visions for America but both parties are funded by the same billionaires, vote for the same surveillance bills, approve the same defense budgets, and serve the same corporate interests. The choice you are given is which color tie the puppet wears, not who controls the strings.

2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation.

3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.

4) The fourth manipulation is false scarcity. You are told resources are limited and the other tribe is taking what belongs to you. Immigrants are stealing your jobs. Welfare recipients are draining your taxes. The other party is destroying your healthcare. Meanwhile the billionaire class has more wealth than any humans in history and could solve most of these problems tomorrow if they wanted to.

5) The fifth manipulation is memory holing. Stories that threaten powerful interests get buried or forgotten within days. Exposed crimes result in no consequences. Historical context that would help you understand the present is never taught. You are kept in a perpetual present with no past to learn from and no future to plan for.

6) The sixth manipulation is controlled opposition. The voices you think are fighting for you are often funded by the same interests they pretend to oppose. The outrage merchant on your side of the aisle is playing a character designed to keep you engaged and angry and tuned in while nothing ever actually changes.

7) The seventh manipulation is the Overton window. The range of acceptable opinion is artificially narrowed so that anything outside it seems extreme. Ideas that were mainstream fifty years ago are now treated as radical. Ideas that serve elite interests are treated as moderate common sense. You are not choosing your beliefs from the full range of human thought. You are choosing from a menu they wrote.

8) The eighth manipulation is learned helplessness. You are shown so many problems with no solutions that you eventually give up and accept that nothing can change. This is intentional. A population that believes resistance is futile does not resist. They scroll and complain and feel superior for understanding how bad things are while doing absolutely nothing about it.

9) The ninth manipulation is identity capture. Your political affiliation becomes your identity, and any attack on your party feels like an attack on you personally. This makes you defend politicians and policies that harm you because admitting they are wrong would mean admitting you were wrong, and your ego will not allow that.

10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable

Trish's avatar

The parties are NOT identical on courts, labor rights, abortion, climate, voting rights, civil rights, unions, or executive power.

Suggesting “both sides are the same” erases real material differences that deeply affect Millions of lives.

This framing actually benefits authoritarians by you discouraging turnout - THAT will lead to 50 years of THIS sh*t show.

Lisa's avatar

I also believe that beyond the political side, the morality sides are completely opposite. Magas have lost their moral compass and the rest of the country is starting to follow theirs finally.

Dik de Bruijn's avatar

I don't believe MAGAs have "lost their moral compass." More that their moral compass is very very different from mine.

Heather B's avatar

Correct. Like they don't have one.

Pam Dundon's avatar

This is how we ended up here in the first place. All those millions who didn't bother to vote because "both sides are the same" I will never forgive them.

TriTorch's avatar

Of course they “aren’t the same”, no one would watch the wrestling otherwise. To you the right is the bad guy, to the right, the left is the bad guy.

This was done on purpose and they spared no expense to manufacture this outcome.

Are you not entertained?

Now down in front, I’m trying to watch the show.

Trish's avatar

Yes, both sides look like a show — but this is a fight over who gets to control everything. Watching it for fun is exactly what the radicals who engineered it want. To resist emotional hijacking, slow down, verify facts, and don’t let anger drive your reactions. To counter tribal sorting, follow sources you don’t usually agree with and talk to people outside your tribe — it breaks the echo chamber and gives you a clearer view of reality.

T Allen's avatar

And if you want people to believe you leave out the biased wording, ie "radicals". ;-)

Trish's avatar

True resistance isn’t assuming everyone is brainwashed. It’s to encourage that people constantly question your own assumptions, check evidence, and stay engaged even when the system is flawed. Awareness without action doesn’t challenge power—it quietly serves it.

TriTorch's avatar

Good, now we are getting somewhere Trish, let’s talk actionalble solutions:

The solution is to get local, get self-dependent, get the common unity back in community by building webs of resilience with your neighbors, get control of your school boards, mayors office, and town councils, get to know your sheriff, get a garden in your lawn no matter how small, a single tomato plant is better than nothing, get a well (water is your most important resource hands down), get ready, get moving, get doing, and, if so inclined, get God.

Detailed:

Don't build a bigger fence to keep our your neighbor, build a bigger table.

The only winning move is not to play their sick game. They thrive on our energy and fear, angst, doubt, and dread they stir in us. The one thing these emotional vampires hate the most is for their manipulation and terrorism to get ignored. Cut down your TV & internet usage by 97%, go local, and all of their terror goes away meanwhile we become stronger as they flail around in angst. Here’s how:

Civilization, goes and old maxim, is never more than three meals away from barbarism—once the food deliveries stop, so does law and order. Therefore, the baseline of preparedness is as follows:

Put all your support behind your local farmers, then become your own. A garden in every lawn should be standard. You can no longer trust anything from a corporation, so cutting out reliance on a retailer is a good place to start thinking about your resiliency. ‘Incorporated’ City water isn’t viable either for its quality or reliability, so wells must be dug (there is no resource more important in your life than clean water, hands down).

Beyond that, begin ending your dependence on their enslavement protocol Federal Notes by creating local currencies and discovering the lost art of bartering, and again start - these cannot be emphasized enough - stitching together webs of alliances with your neighbors for resiliency, defense, and resource sharing (they might grow what you do not and vice versa)—put the “common unity” back in community, and get control of those town councils, mayor and sherrif offices, and school boards (the few places we still hold all of the cards) and get your kids out of them. Finally: stop eating, listening to, and watching things that are bad for your mind, body, and spirit, and, if so inclined, spend a good chunk of your time on your knees each day.

Finally: Fear not. Live your life. Find your happiness. Turn your back on those who would gleefully turn it into misery. Win the game by refusing to play theirs.

All of the above is a recipe for success and if everuone did this, we would take the world back in a groundswell. Let's get to work building a future worth living in, together, because if we do not, Harari & Co (who believe the "Snow Crash" dystopia they are building all around us is a good thing in their sick dark triad mind) will ensure we will not have one:

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WEF Head Yuval Harari, NYTimes Interview: thinking about all this, puts it this way: “Utopia and dystopia depends on your values.” … The useless class he describes is uniquely vulnerable. “If a century ago you mounted a revolution against exploitation, you knew that when bad comes to worse, they can’t shoot all of us because they need us,” he said, citing army service and factory work.

Now it is becoming less clear why the ruling elite would not just kill the new useless class. “You’re totally expendable,” he told the audience. … “We don’t need you. But we are nice, so we’ll take care of you.” —Archived Uneditable Source (worth reading in full): https://archive.is/rWLoO

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Purpose of DOGE: A Billionaire's Utopia is Our Dystopia Snow Crash Predictive Programming: https://old.bitchute.com/video/PiKR2hqZgiwE [6mins]

Trish's avatar

I actually agree with you on more than you might think. Community, local engagement, mutual aid, knowing your neighbors, supporting local food systems, and paying attention to school boards and town councils are all genuinely healthy and democratic actions. Democrats have been saying versions of this for years—community resilience, civic participation, and local organizing are how democracies survive stress.

Where I need to be very clear is where this crosses from resilience into disengagement and fear‑based withdrawal. Telling people to “stop playing the game,” tune out information, abandon national politics, or assume a coordinated global plan to eliminate a “useless class” is not empowering—it’s isolating. That path doesn’t build democracy; it weakens it.

Local action is not a substitute for national accountability. We need both. Gardening, community ties, and faith can coexist with voting, journalism, courts, labor protections, and civil rights. Walking away from institutions doesn’t make them less dangerous—it leaves them entirely in the hands of people who are happy to dismantle them.

On Harari and the WEF: his comments are often quoted without context and framed in the most extreme way possible. He’s describing risks of technological inequality, not advocating mass extermination. Turning cautionary discussions into proof of an elite death plan is exactly how fear narratives hijack otherwise good instincts and turn them toward paranoia instead of reform.

I’m not afraid, and I’m not disengaging. I’m choosing democratic participation over collapse thinking. Building community and defending democratic institutions aren’t opposites—they’re inseparable. History shows that when people retreat into survivalism and abandon shared reality, the worst actors win without resistance.

So yes: build gardens, build community, care for your spirit.

But also vote, stay informed, defend rights, and refuse narratives that tell us withdrawal is wisdom.

That’s how we actually build a future worth living in—together.

Ilene Bilenky's avatar

I have said take care of ourselves, take care of each other, take care of our communities as we define them. Support non-corporate news as you can, donate to chosen causes as you can, call your reps regardless of party. I enjoy engaging with the donor support of my chosen causes (animals, environment, veterans) and lifting themmup in encouragement. Also, call reps to thank them if they do a right thing! If I could call MRTG and Boebert after that stood yo for sexual assault survivors, I can do anything! Do not vent or engage in it - pointless. Intelligent , informed and civil discussions with disagreements are welcome (with me) but no venting/memes, and so on. Just the way I'm rolling.

Dik de Bruijn's avatar

"Don't build a bigger fence to keep ou[t] your neighbor, build a bigger table." Can't agree with you on this one. Dems tried this by appealing to everyone, no matter how fringe and unpopular the policies were with most Americans. Ex: California spending billions of dollars offering Medicaid to undocumented immigrants, and millions more on providing transgender surgeries for prisoners, including some on death row. These policies may have appealed to progressives but were extremely unpopular with most Americans and a clue as to why Newsom may be a very bad choice for Dem presidential candidate. (In addition to Newsom's ex also being Don Jr.'s ex . . . )

Trish's avatar
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Democrats do take dark money, but not nearly to the same extent, not in the same way, and not for the same purposes as Republicans. That distinction matters. Democrats want to end citizens United.

Since Citizens United, Republican-aligned networks have embraced this system more aggressively and at a much larger scale than Democrats.

Republican dark money is highly centralized and strategically coordinated. It is used not just to win elections, but to capture courts, fund judicial pipelines, shape media ecosystems, rewrite election laws, and entrench minority rule. These networks operate across federal, state, and local levels with long-term planning and ideological discipline.

Unlike Democrats, Republicans do not merely participate in the dark money system—they actively defend it and work to expand it. GOP lawmakers overwhelmingly oppose donor disclosure, campaign finance reform, and efforts to overturn Citizens United because secrecy is a core political asset. The ability to move unlimited, undisclosed money allows them to break norms, avoid accountability, and consolidate power while insulating donors from public scrutiny.

In short, dark money is not an unfortunate side effect for Republicans; it is a deliberate strategy. It converts wealth into political control while shielding both donors and politicians from consequences, making it one of the most dangerous forces distorting American democracy today.

TriTorch's avatar

You should see what the republicans write about you. Everyone has been dramatically radicalized, on purpose, to the detriment of all so that the USA will be divided, destroyed, looted, and enslaved. Again:

2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation. 3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.

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Here are the WEF 2030 goals:

1) America will no longer be a super power

2) You will own nothing and be happy To achieve this they have to destroy the old order first before they can usher in their new total surveillance tyrannical super state. To achieve that they are mercilessly dividing and conquering us which is the oldest playbook for control that exists.

“We must learn to live together as brothers, or we will perish together as fools.” MLK Jr. ←we are here.

Trish's avatar

A small but powerful faction of Republicans benefits from radicalizing, isolating, and harming ordinary Americans. This is not most voters, but leaders, strategists, and wealthy donors who use fear and division to consolidate power. A fractured, angry population is easier to control, easier to mobilize, and less likely to demand accountability. Radicalization substitutes intensity for numbers, turning loyalty into obedience and fear into political capital.

Emotional hijacking is central. Media and social media amplify fear, anger, and outrage, bypassing rational thinking and keeping people constantly agitated. Algorithms push people into echo chambers, reinforcing anger toward the “other side” and deepening tribal identity, often without conscious choice.

Isolation weakens democracy. Distrust of neighbors, journalists, and institutions makes people dependent on a single narrative and tolerant of policies that harm them. Discussions about global inequality, corporate influence, or organizations like the WEF are often distorted into fear propaganda. Reflecting critically on these conversations can help separate genuine policy ideas from manipulative narratives. Democrats, by contrast, rely on participation, trust, and shared reality to protect rights and institutions.

Most Republicans are not part of this radical faction, but their strategies have outsized consequences. Rejecting fear, manipulation, and division — and defending democracy — is not weakness; it is survival.

TriTorch's avatar

You need to take this to heart. You keep blaming republicans when it is the globalists pulling the strings on both “sides”. The right blames you and has all sorts of evidence to back up their reasoning. You blame them and have all sorts of reasons to back up yours. This is because both sides are corrupted via Epstein blackmail, bribes, or both, and as a result both sides are working and gaslighting us:

10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable

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… And too many of my colleagues I'm afraid are compromised, uh, in this area for whatever reason. Somebody's whispered in their ear and said hey, you don't want something to come out on something else you better keep your mouth shut on this. And that's exactly what they've done.

So obviously the um, congress has been compromised and this continues on through the White House, through the Justice Department.. it's uh, the trash can is very deep. It uh, it's not a swamp it's an open sewer.

Trish's avatar

I hear what you’re saying, and I agree with one important thing: no one is immune to manipulation, including me. That’s why I try to ground my views in evidence, outcomes, and accountability rather than assuming a hidden master plan explains everything.

Where I part ways is the claim that “globalists pulling strings on both sides” explains what’s happening. That framing turns real corruption into an unfalsifiable theory — if everything is blackmail and secret control, then no evidence can ever matter, and no differences in behavior or outcomes matter either. That doesn’t make us wiser; it makes us powerless.

Yes, corruption exists. Yes, money distorts politics. But that does not mean both parties are doing the same things or causing the same harm. Courts, abortion rights, voting access, labor protections, climate policy, and executive power aren’t abstract — they’re measurable outcomes, and only one party is systematically rolling those rights back.

The “you think you’re too smart to be manipulated” argument becomes a trap when it’s used to shut down disagreement. Skepticism should lead us to demand better evidence, not abandon distinctions entirely. If everything is an open sewer and everyone is compromised, the only winners are the people who want us disengaged and cynical.

I’m not claiming moral purity or blind trust. I’m saying this: accountability still matters, evidence still matters, and outcomes still matter. Treating this all as theater is a luxury the majority of Americans, who are losing rights daily don’t have.

Focus on local elections right now that’s what they are distracting from.

Make sure you show up at city County State and federal elections

Get involved in your community and your local elections and in your federal elections

Make those phone calls to Congress and the house and demand that they defend democracy

Show up for every rally that you are able

Actions speak louder than words

Kathy Morelli's avatar

DARVO and parasocial relationships manipulated intentionally in the way you state above

Trish's avatar

4) False scarcity:

The manipulation is in blaming marginalized groups instead of policy choices and power structures to lift the marginalized.

C Giza's avatar

Excellent breakdown as to how we become manipulated.

When I was in High School in the '60's, we read a book in our English class that explained how salespeople are able to persuade buyers. One of the phrases from the book I recall is "gleaming generalizations", a ploy tRUMP utilizes frequently. Many more of the ways you have just described were laid out in the book.

Not much has changed since then, except that social media has been able to reach more vulnerable people and convince them one way or another.

TriTorch's avatar

C, thank you. That is an excerpt from a larger brilliant analysis here: https://tritorch.substack.com/p/everything-you-watch-or-read-is-owned

I think you may find that worth every second of your time.

Mattie's avatar

So am to believe this isn’t manipulation too?

TriTorch's avatar

What would be the manipulation or objective? It's about seeing through the smokescreens unifying against a dividing force

Karin Loess's avatar

Holy Moly. This is stellar, thanks.

Kathy Hughes's avatar

It’s fun to watch. Loomer has been loony, and Vance simply lies shamelessly all the time. Considering he is licensed as an attorney with the Kentucky Bar Association, this is conduct which would constitute moral turpitude, and is unbecoming in an officer of the courts of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Yvette N Hath's avatar

I'd choose not to pick a side at all. They are both vile.

Trish's avatar

Then no vote is a vote for this vile, cruel authoritarian power grab. When one side is actively dismantling democratic guardrails, neutrality isn’t neutral—it’s consent to proceed.

Yvette N Hath's avatar

I'm talking about not choosing a side with the Loomer and Vance fued. Jeez.

Lady Emsworth's avatar

"As crazy a Loomer is. . ."

Well, there's certainly plenty of choice on "crazy" in the GOP!

MM Harris's avatar

Yep. Whether we agree with her or not, at least she as consistent values and opinions and goes about promoting them in an organized manner.

Carol Staats's avatar

Let them eat each other and be done with this incompetent A$$! Kissing administration.

Angie's avatar

Vance doesn't "believe" anything. He's just a chameleon and Peter Thiels special little friend.

Dannys's avatar

None of them believe anything……

Kathy Hughes's avatar

They only believe in authoritarian rule by the strongest and wealthiest. They don’t care about anything remotely related to the common good.

Nannie dragon's avatar

He doesn't need to win over maga voters because they already don't like him and the fact that they like Laura loomer is just tragic beyond words. But then again they are a cult and they are locked in so tight they can't see daylight

Jean Conley's avatar

Good one, Nannie!

John giannattasio's avatar

VANCE is a disgusting, despicable if you want to call him a human being. Nuff said.

Kathy Hughes's avatar

He’s utterly obnoxious and repellent.

EaB's avatar

I keep waiting for him to dump Usha and his kids! He really must rue the day he married her, slimeball that he is.

With E Kirk patiently waiting in the wings.

These truly are THE MOST VULGAR & EVIL pieces of excrement in the recent history of the United States. Eating supposed party cohorts is a most aptly describable term for their voracious appetite for power and money

Kathy Hughes's avatar

Unfortunately, it absolutely would not be a surprise for me if he ditched Usha for Erica. She does have a relatively small fortune of $25M Charlie left in return for selling his soul to market his hate.

elliemae.padme66's avatar

Except, read that Usha was expecting..................???

Jean Conley's avatar

Doesn't matter to sooooo many republiCRAPS.

Debra's avatar

Great news so the maga attack dogs are now attacking each other 🙌 hooray!

Jean Conley's avatar

Sure hope it keeps up!

Leslie Goodman-Malamuth's avatar

Let the battle of the aestheticians rage! 😤

Lady Emsworth's avatar

Eye liners en garde!

Jack's avatar

Keep fighting JD and Loomer

Paul Schwartz's avatar

"Whatever you may think of Loomer, she has developed a large and loyal following over many years with Trump’s base." Ron she is as much a scumbag as JD Vance and the rest of the sycophants. She does not seem to lie to the public as much as Vance. They are all despicable.

Ron Filipkowski's avatar

Both things can be true. You can have a large and loyal MAGA following and be a terrible person. In fact, being a terrible person is pretty much a requirement.

Kathy Hughes's avatar

The fact she’s developed a large and loyal following simply demonstrates there are a lot of fools out there who take her every word as truth, and it’s not truth.

Jack's avatar

The uneducated brainwashed bigoted racist white supremacist trumpets aren't too bright

Jack's avatar

They were told not to breed with their sisters, mothers and grandmother's they keep doing it, why we are where we are today

Lady Emsworth's avatar

Please don't do that. They're Americans - full stop. You think incest doesn't occur right across the political spectrum?

i do understand how you feel the need to fight in any way you can, but not THAT way, please. Half the problem we have today is because R/W pols fed on the myth that all liberals despise "poor" people. And comments like yours just reinforce that myth.

Sorry if I offend - but some day, please God soon, this will be OVER and we will have to start living together in peace again. And what are you going to say when your son brings home a girl from a Republican family that he wants to marry? "Hey! I never knew we had Republican relations"?

Colleen McGloughlin's avatar

Can’t “like,” but do agree. And molest/rape their young ones.

Jean Conley's avatar

And it's extremely unfortunate. I'd say this is one of the ways we got into this mess in the first place.

Kathy Hughes's avatar

No, they aren’t.

Lady Emsworth's avatar

How bright is "bright"? I used to work with learning challenged kids. A lot of them would never be able to read or write, some couldn't even dress without help - but they knew enough to come in out of the rain - and they pretty quickly summed up whether someone was good or not.

It's too easy to sum up MAGA voters as stupid. A lot of the, in fact I'd say the majority, aren't stupid - they're ignorant. And in a lot of cases it's voluntarily so.

We should concentrate on convincing those who are willing to open their eyes.

Jack's avatar

Won't be long before trump does what he did to MTG

Orkke Clifton's avatar

What a drag! Who would want to choose one of those sides 🤮 oh, yeah, the mag gags …

JavaJunkyMonkey's avatar

Fucking morons, that's all they are.

Susan Hushin's avatar

This is f**king high school, no middle school. Worse, a middle school filled with every 80's movie cliche, freaks, geeks, elites, nerds, brainiacs, jocks . . . all with the stupid mentality of a hormone-fueled child. We have dumbed ourselves down to the lowest bunch of trolls in and out of this administration. So much anger, hatred, cruelty coupled with ignorance of history, economics, world history. I'm not sure how much more I can take, let alone everyone else who is trying to keep it together. We can laugh about the crazy right, mega fights, and the bullshit all we want; the plain fact is we need to have the voices of reason (if any are left) actually doing real actions to pull us out of this quicksand of tyranny. It's all a grift, scam, outright robbery and not enough people are saying or doing anything. Where are the good trouble voices?? Sorry, I don't mean to rant, but I am a woman on the edge of sanity right now.

Jack's avatar

500 million in a Qatar bank from Venezuela oil which will increase, which we won't hear about, I'm sure Jr. & Eric has access to this money to start building trump Gaza, he said it and he meant it the video we saw is what he wants, now getting wants one billion for Board of Peace, which means move out all Palestinians out of Gaza so trump can move in to have his sons & son inlaw have cash flow on Condos, golf courses and trump tower, trump can do what he likes but when he dies, his name and anyone associated to him will be toxic, his branding will be stripped everywhere all over the world. I hope they freeze all assets of all family members and jail them all

Lady Emsworth's avatar

Spot on, Susan - the MAGA version of "The Breakfast Club."

Dave Boyko's avatar

2 pieces of shit slugging it out. Who cares? Let them tear each other up so the rest of us don't have to.

Dr.David's avatar

“Buh Bye” To them all!

David Kenney's avatar

They're all a bunch of fuck ups.

Dannys's avatar
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They all self destruct sooner or later. Hate feeds on itself and destroys the vessel that carries it. This is happening to trump before our very eyes. As some people say, God is great. You can also watch the show. Its allowed. Vengeance is mine says the Lord.

Lady Emsworth's avatar

"Vengeance is mine says the Lord."

Unfortunately, so does trump. . .