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SLMontgo's avatar

So one can conclude that the US is doing healthcare completely bass-ackward. Its massive counterintuitiveness smells of white male bidnessmen collusion and greed. We, as ever, suffer.

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Christine Karp's avatar

What the hell. Republicans have been getting checks from the health insurance companies and from big pharma to vote for their interests for decades now. They pass out checks on the house floor to secure their votes.

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SLMontgo's avatar

Except, isn't the present plan screwing big pharma? Closing hospitals and clinics means fewer Rx's for those drugs those salesfolks (like Penny on TBBT) entice the physicians to use. Higher prices means more importing from ...oh, say, Canada, where I used to buy codeine aspirin for my bronchitis long ago, marketed as 222 iirc. Fewer hospitals, fewer insurance claims to deny, fewer people buying insurance because it never pays anyway... as I said, counterintuitive. But, as St. Rick teaches us, ETTD.

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Joseph L Hallock's avatar

Trump just put 100% tariff on imported drugs to help out big pharma. They were already extorting customers in the USA. I can’t think of any reason to make generic medicine more expensive except to rip off Americans!

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SLMontgo's avatar

So how much of our Rx drugs are made in China?

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Joseph L Hallock's avatar

China makes a lot of the components used in several medicines. But India makes a whole lot of generics. There are a few other countries making generics, but I yield now.

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SLMontgo's avatar

Thank you. I didn't have time to look it up. I know a lot of our drugs are manufactured overseas, but, the goal here, the USA Heritage Foundation stated goal, is to pulverize We, the People, so the billionaires can relieve us of our money and property. Overpricing drugs and encouraging big pharma to gouge the hell out of us is the goal.

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Jean Conley's avatar

Forgot the republiCRAPS and of course, their "god," Dump.

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

No, not all. MAGA, not Republican. It's a completely separate, extreme right party now.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

So sorry to disagree. I don't think there is a Republican party any more, just a bunch of RINOs. The few true Republicans -- think John McCain, Mitt Romney -- are gone or about to be. I don't know what the party of Trump that destroyed the Republican party should be called, but Republicans are no more.

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

I'm just glad my dad died before the second term. He was a MAGA, and Mom, a Democrat, wouldn't have been around to mediate, having died twelve years prior.

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

*ten, I mean*

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C Giza's avatar

Yes, I think there are still people in the US who think MAGA is just some fringe group rather than the cancer that has permeated what used to be a different bur not so extreme party. Definitely not "conservative" anymore. "To conserve" by definition means to save, to preserve, not destroy as MAGA is wont to do. We should stop referring to them as "Conservatives".

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SLMontgo's avatar

I used to consider myself a "conservative" person because of that definition. It fit me. I haven't changed much but that word is completely corrupted from the very clear dictionary meaning. ... just like "liberal" has been corrupted. I felt like my own description was "conservative liberal." And it was not meant to be an oxymoron. Yes, you are correct. THEY are in no way whatsoever conservative. They are demolishers. They are destructive.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

"Extreme" right is what exactly?

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Patty Holtke's avatar

He isn't my god nor the god of anyone I know. So silly.

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Jean Conley's avatar

Bingo! I like to use sarcasm frequently.....it's too bad that the republiCRAPS are too stupid to realize that. Especially those who believe.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Oh yah it's always "white male", which is actually very racist.

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Cheeto And Destruction Of The Middle Class

Cheeto and his Nazi allies know that WE the People will carry the day So one of the prominent overarching Nazi strategies is to weaken the middle class

What does that look like? Primarily it’s the inflation game If you make it hard for the average American to make a living, the pressure becomes overwhelming and damaging Instead of 1 job, one needs to take on 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet No time for vacations, no time for time off, just bruising through with no end in sight This leads to an electorate that can’t pay attention to what’s happening politically and is so stressed due to inflation that voting becomes secondary or unimportant at all

This is why Cheeto is pushing all the country’s wealth away from the middle class and to the top 10% of the electorate which will reward him with support in political campaigns And this is why Cheeto wants to emphatically lower interest rates because this will cause inflation to go even higher

Inflation is the name of the game for Cheeto because it will create a politically disabled middle class and create a wealthy dominant oligarchic ruling class

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Interesting considering the fact that President Trump's focus has primarily been on helping the middle class.

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Cheeto lied to the American electorate to stay out of jail...funny what desperation does....and through investigative reporting Greg Palast shows that if it had not been for vigilante challenges(bit.ly/41UelTx) to registered voters Cheeto would have lost by at least 2m votes

And no he is not for the middle class He wants to decimate the middle class by making it harder for them to make ends meet so that they have no time to worry or consider what the government is doing because they are too busy trying to make a living Cheeto said he would bring down prices on day 1 That's not happened He said he would make countries pay for doing business with US consumers but the tariffs are nothing more than a sales tax on American consumers increasing the cost of living The tough guy tactic of tariffs have taken soybean farmers out of international trade with the biggest consumer China now buying soybeans from Argentina and Brazil Cheeto has destroyed the purchasing power of the dollar making prices even higher

So no, Cheeto and his Congressional Nazi allies are raping the middle class just like he did E Jean Carroll He is the most corrupt president in American history all thanks to the conservative SCOTUS who gave him complete immunity to destroy the Republic and turn it into a Russian authoritarian state

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Are you sure you were a doctor at one time? A doctor of what exactly?

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Protect the Vote's avatar

You mean to say that if I have a differing opinion then I couldn't be doctor?? Sometimes I wonder about discriminatory thinking in some people

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Patty Holtke's avatar

No, that would be silly. You are a very angry person who likes to rant, which is not typical for a doctor. Doctors are typically very rational and even-tempered.

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Protect the Vote's avatar

Can't have it both ways You're either giving tax cuts to billionaires or you're for the middle class Cheeto lied his way into a second term with promises he knew he would never keep in order to stay out of jail

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Patty Holtke's avatar

@ProtecttheVote, President Trump won by a landslide, and that is a huge blessing for our country! We are finally recovering from the mass destruction of Biden's reign.

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bit.ly/41UelTx see above and consider watching something other than the Fox propaganda channel unless you happen to be a billionaire If so you don't care what happens to the "little people" Let them eat cake

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Time to look at the facts. In the first few months of this year, Trump made it very appealing to manufacturers in other countries to avoid tariffs by choosing to build their factories here - thus providing more jobs. Thanks to actions by Trump, all citizens are much safer because the Southern border is closed. I am far from being wealthy, but I know that it is a fact that it is the billionaire who can afford to own the companies which in turn provide the jobs. Everyday people like me would never be able to own something large enough to take on employees and pay them well.

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The Christian Nationalist agenda through the Fox propaganda channel is nothing more than a political authoritarian takeover and their demented leader is their strongman with Just Dance Vance waiting in the wings

(“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas t;of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.” Adolph Hitler 1928)

Tariffs will not bring manufacturing back to the US according to Paul Krugman a economist and Nobel laureate Tariffs are rather a sales tax on the American consumer

60% of illegally detained ICE victims have no criminal records The point is terror and fear which is shrinking the US employment pool due to these immigration policies and are making these minority populations less safe But what do you care as long as they're not coming for you

Billionaires need employees and that's what makes them wealthy but billionaires should not run the country But tell that to Peter Theil, Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, or Larry Ellison Money corrupts as does power Nothing good will come of this

Americans lose health care and billionaires and their corporations get big tax cuts What's wrong with this picture??

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Colin's avatar

Consider what it would be like to live in a country where a healthcare plan follows you everywhere. Getting fired or laid off isn't an existential threat. Quitting a job need not make you factor health coverage. Drugs are much cheaper and for seniors virtually free. Mandated (to businesses) paid maternity and paternity leave. Your company can offer you enhanced benefits like massage & reduced dental but basic healthcare is truly universal to every citizen. That's Canada. Your (US) government has you convinced that is inferior but there are NO MEDICAL BANKRUPTCIES in Canada. I'd probably be living on the street if we didn't have universal coverage but I'm not. My life is excellent.

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David Zimmerly's avatar

You are absolutely correct. I was born in the U.S. but came to Canada with our family when I was ten. I tell people every chance I get that it was by far the best gift our parents ever gave us, and I mean it.

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Robin's avatar

and don't forget the rural hospitals that will close and that impact to communities. We all pay the price for sure.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

We all pay the price, but do we all pay it equally? Aren't many of the states/communities/people who voted for Trump going to pay a bigger price?

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Please provide a link or links showing that rural hospitals are closing.

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Robin's avatar

You can do a simple internet search on rural hospitals closing and read many articles on this topic.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

But I went ahead and did my own little search, and see that they are closing because of finances due to the pitiful amount of reimbursement from Medicaid, which has always been the case. This has nothing to do with Republicans, and everything to do with Democrats who love things like seeing people on welfare and dependent on the govt. That's where they get most of their votes.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

The many times I've been asked to provide proof of an allegation I've shared, I had no problem at all with providing that very thing. None at all.

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Robin's avatar

Well I don't have the time to look for articles for others when it's a topic that's discussed almost daily. So I'm glad you were able to readily find some. So agree with that pitiful amount of Medicaid reimbursement...I dealt with this with my mother was in a nursing home for 5 years, so I know about these low reimbursements and the hospitals and nursing homes trying to keep the doors open. But with no reimbursement at all, more will close for sure.

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David Zimmerly's avatar

Compared to we Canadians, Americans spend twice as much money for half the services for their so-called "health care system." Yes, we sometimes have to wait a bit longer than the average über-wealthy American to get seen by a doctor, but at least we get seen by the doctor - all of us - and we don't have to declare bankruptcy in the process. I'll take our system any day of the week that ends in "y" - and you would too if you lived here. I know - I used to be an American.

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Wendy horgan's avatar

US here. I would take your Canadian system any day of the week as well.

And I agree- the US healthcare system is a mess.

Since ACA in 2010 , Democrats have had 15 years to build on that system and make it better. Instead, healthcare has gone backwards.

This former moderate thinks incremental change is grossly inadequate to address the health care crisis in the US.

Time for real change. Let’s hear those ideas and start pilot programs. Medicare for all. Government delivery of more health services through county health clinics. Free medical school tuition for public service. All ideas welcome as long as it’s not the status quo.

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Kezia Sorensen's avatar

Yes to Medicare for all. Original Medicare pays for annual wellness visits, then 80%. People could get a supplement to pay for the remaining 20% using private plans. Take the profit motive out of healthcare and we’re on our way to being healthier as a nation. Make this the #1 issue.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Really? So what you are saying is that you want substandard healthcare for all. That sounds pretty silly.

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Kezia Sorensen's avatar

That’s not a logical conclusion

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Sure it is. If it were not true, then rich people such as Mick Jagger would not have chosen to come to the United States for his heart surgery. Why would he not just trust the surgeons in the U.K. Because he knows that we here in America have the best surgeons. That's also why many from other countries come to America to practice medicine. They know that their skills and hard work will be rewarded with good pay. But you want to go in reverse and turn us into a 3rd world country as far has health care is concerned.

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Kezia Sorensen's avatar

Ours is a system of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy

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Felicity's avatar

As an Australian, I am so thankful for our universal health care system, Medicare. It was introduced by a Labor government in 1984. It has been hacked at and watered down by successive conservative governments who hate it, but it is slowly being restored by our current Labor government. I'm in a rural area and I can see my doctor in a reasonable amount of time, immediately if it's urgent and be bulk billed (which means I don't have to pay anything) for my appointment. I can be admitted to a public hospital and be treated at no cost. Our PBS system is wonderful; many medications and drugs are listed on it and it means you never pay more than $25 for these drugs, less if you are on any sort of pension. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in the US. My heart goes out to them.

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

It's getting worse. That is all.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

People such as Mick Jagger chose to fly to the United States for his heart surgery "cuz universal health care is best". That's cute.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Is that why people like Mick Jagger flew to the United States to get surgery for his heart?

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Carolyn Reynolds's avatar

A story of drug tariffs: my dog requires medication in his eyes to prevent blindness. I have ordered from Canada for years because it is affordable,IE $38.00 for a two months supply. Today I ordered again to find outrageous tariffs bringing the cost with shipping from the UK to $158.00 for 1 month supply. This is for a pet. This is insane. They don't make this medication in the US. It normally comes from India. What American without drug insurance coverage can afford to be well? What dogs?

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Jean Conley's avatar

Thank the Dictator Criminal Deranged Demented Moron Disgusting Psycho in the Oval Office for that--and his puppets, the republiCRAPS for that. what's more enraging is that the representatives and senators get their medications for free--courtesy of us taxpayers. It's maddening that WE pay for THEIRS but we can't afford them.

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Carolyn Reynolds's avatar

I don't have Republican Reps. I have sent this incident to all my Congress people.

I don't have much hope for Congress to do anything but step in their own messes.

People need the stories from the ground. It will be all of us with stories. it will be You.

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U.S. death rate for 2025 is 9.28, a 59% increase from 2024.

U.S. death rate for 2024 was 9.23, a 28% increase from 2023.

U.S. death rate for 2023 was 9.20, a 6.12% decline from 2022.

U.S. death rate for 2022 was 9.80, a 5.77% decline from 2021.

Crude death rate indicates the number of deaths occurring during the year, per 1,000 population estimated at midyear. Subtracting the crude death rate from the crude birth rate provides the rate of natural increase, which is equal to the rate of population change in the absence of migration. The full historical dataset is available for download here:

U.S. Death Rate | Historical Data | 1950 - 2025

So what has the US done about this?

*Increased life insurance premiums.

*Trashed the CDC and cut medical funding.

*Placed tariffs on pharmaceuticals.

*Trump killed the Rx drug savings Biden had negotiated just as they were about to go into effect.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Biden didn't reduce any of the medications. Let's talk about the deaths due to abortion.

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WJB Motown's avatar

By declaring war on US citizens,....stealing their health care.... the Orange Anus is setting up the population for a pandemic that will kill thousands.

Taco must be removed at all cost ASAP!!!

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Whose health care has been stolen??????

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WJB Motown's avatar

Go back to Faux News.........Stay in your Christian Nationalist bublle of Orangeness.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

I thought that you and your fellow Democrats were concerned about health care that has been taken away, and now since you can't give any links showing WHAT care is being taken away, you resort to the usual "Faux News", "Nationalist", "Orangeness". All I ask, and this should be very simple, is that you provide a link or links showing exactly WHAT health care is going to be taken.

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WJB Motown's avatar

You can do that yourself.......You have your own computer.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

THANK YOU for making it clear that this outrage by you on the left about medical care being cut is just a big fat lie. I love when that happens.

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WJB Motown's avatar

THANK YOU! For proving that Cankles is right on!!! "I like the uneducated"......."I don't like smart people".......You are certainly with the right group of Fauxwashed sheep!!!.........Enjoy your blasphamous Trump Bible and that useless Trump fools gold coin.

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WJB Motown's avatar

Do you think that everyone finally knows this??? Now the time to take acton. Do whatever it takes...........

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Patty Holtke's avatar

"Do whatever it takes...." is a threat.

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WJB Motown's avatar

Maga's like you invented threats!!! Each day-Everyday-allday......

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Example please.

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WJB Motown's avatar

Why won't your ICE gestapo agents take off their masks and identify themselvees??

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Patty Holtke's avatar

I'm very happy that I voted for Trump. He is doing so much good for all of us!

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Joseph L Hallock's avatar

Trump is a disaster for all Americans including the people that voted for him. Tariffs are nothing but instant inflation. If American companies can’t compete with import prices, they simply are not taking advantage of technology currently available. And if that technology falls into the hands of other countries like our other manufacturing did, then we are simply done. I am a retired engineer who spent most of my career in manufacturing. I have watched the manufacturing slip overseas, never to return. Technology is our only hope and it needs to be protected from greedy owners!

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Andrea's avatar

The government has free healthcare for life. They don't care

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Kelvin Hobbs's avatar

Health Execs Showered Trump With Millions; CDC Data Altered; Healthcare Bankruptcies Feb-19-2025 https://tinyurl.com/4pf9nbdk

Healthcare executives paid millions to attend at least six dinners with President Trump in the 2 months before he took office, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported. The meetings involved industry leaders from pharmaceuticals, insurance, and health systems, the article stated. Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla gave $1 million to Trump's inaugural committee, and reportedly complained about pharmacy benefits managers (PBMs) during one dinner. Trump also met with PBM and insurance company CEOs, including UnitedHealth's Andrew Witty, CVS's David Joyner, and Cigna's David Cordani. These companies gave Trump at least $1 million each, according to WSJ. Overall, Trump held more than 50 meetings with executives at Mar-a-Lago after the November election, "highlighting the extent to which U.S. corporations have showered Trump with money hoping to avoid his public wrath and shape his thinking on esoteric issues where he has shown less policy interest," the article stated. The leader of one New York City trade group described it as "a proactive effort to not be a target."

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[The price we all pay is not just in money, but in loss of liberty and overall life quality.]

["The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild [sic], and government to gain ground."] Thomas Jefferson, 27 May 1788 https://tinyurl.com/mr2ea9cc

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Jamie Casey's avatar

Healthcare may not be the First priority to young single individuals but it should as there's never a guarantee they won't be inflicted with an illness or involved in an accident and no one should be tied down with medical Bills that is getting out of hand in this country for everyone that has limited resources especially now. There's no excuse at all healthcare insurance companies get to dictate what should be a human right. Republicans have been bought and paid for by the insurance companies so anyone who still believes repubs care about the working class and their essential needs must not be tied down by outrageous medical bills or are wealthy enough to buy the best money can buy. They've already stripped so much from the less fortunate so let them take the ownership of failing this country and continue to call them out for only representing the 1%.

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markr61888's avatar

Everyone needs to get that the stand off that republicans are having and trumps behavior will wether you want everything to Somehow to be peacefully accepted has crossed the line so that no one can stop what will transpire..hes declared war on the entire u.s if you think for one moment what happened to those that were recently assassinated won't happen again your outta ur effing minds .trump is suicidal and should be held accountable and some true patriot should do what has to be done.he should be in straight jacket and our generals need to wise up with how to stop him.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

He has not declared war, but it sure sounds like you are inciting violence!

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Megan Rothery's avatar

Use/share this spreadsheet (bit.ly/Goodtrouble) as a resource to call/email/write members of Congress, the Cabinet and news organizations. Reach out to those in your own state, and those in a committee that fits your topic. Call. Write. Email. Protest. Unrelentingly. We deserve better ❤️‍🩹🤍💙

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

That isn't gonna do anything if they're going to people who only care about paychecks

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Megan Rothery's avatar

While I understand where you’re coming from. Silence is complicity. We need to be loud.

And while I don’t think we’ll see many big waves (like a major MAGA Congress member changing their opinions), we can cause little ripples. I’m thinking staff members who hear the same thing over and over via voicemail, phone calls, letter after letter, email after email - maybe they’ll be a little more receptive each time they hear from us. Maybe they’ll talk more about our talking points to friends and family, maybeeee they’ll vote differently. I think we can cause ripples to push news organizations to be more honest and maybe even a bit accusatory about what’s happening. As a collective, our volume matters. And, at the end of the day, if we just annoy and overwhelm some staffers working for people hurting the average American, I’m ok with that too 🙃

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Sirin Kaslana's avatar

Next national day of action for 50/50/1 is October 18th, and I'm gonna speak. I'm terrified of public speaking normally, but I have an idea I need the nation to hear, and with that opportunity, my voice will be heard in all 50 states.

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Megan Rothery's avatar

Good for you! You got this!

I’ll be at the protest near me with friends and family :)

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Angie's avatar

If this is what the MAGA Party thinks it wants because they can’t stop believing Trump’s lies, then I say we let them get it good and hard.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

What lies Angie?

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David Zimmerly's avatar

"When We Lose Health Care..."

How can you lose something you never had? Americans don't have a health care system and never did.

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Angie's avatar

I was on the ACA, David. It was about $500/month for the gold plan. That would now be ~$1000.

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David Zimmerly's avatar

So what you seem to be saying is that the health care coverage that used to cost you twice as much as it should is now costing you four times more than it should.

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Patty Holtke's avatar

Well that's not true, and no one has lost health care. This is all just a lot of DRAMA.

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David Zimmerly's avatar

I would submit that you shouldn't have to buy ANY healthcare insurance (except maybe for travel or other specific out-of-reasonable-scope expenses). That is the whole point of a government-supported single-payer system. It works, and it is fair, unlike your primitive, corporate profit-driven "system" that leaves millions with no health care at all, and millions more at the risk of declaring bankruptcy for little more than a broken arm. Most Americans are simply brainwashed into thinking that the term "healthcare insurance" is perfectly normal and reasonable - but it's not.

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