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Grant Rowson's avatar

Funny that you mention this: I live in one of the two provinces in Canada that is about as "Republican" as possible. In federal elections, the other parties don't even really bother campaigning here. And yet even with that, polls have said that 80% of the citizens really don't want anything to do with Dump, nor to become a 51st state! (They will still likely vote for Poilivre, though . . . (sigh) but at least the rest of the country seems to be waking up). And that Trudeau's likely replacement is the former Governor of the Bank of Canada and Bank of England (US equivalent = Jerome Powell). The guy helped soft-land the UK from the Brexit fiasco and helped shelter Canada from the worst of the 2008 global financial meltdown (hmm, that was USA Republican actions, too!). So if one's fighting an economic war with Dump, I'm hoping that Canadians think about this if we go to a general election (rather than vote for a Dump Wannabe, who's entire political campaign so far has largely mirrored populist/Dump rhetoric. Oh, and Poilivre's a university classmate/friend of Vance's, too -- that can't be helping his polling stats either!).

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Valerie's avatar

Vance is oilier and more Snidely Whiplash than Trump. For those who are old enough to remember the Rocky & Bullwinkle Show, Snidely was Dudley Do-Right the Canadian Mountie's character's nemesis

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Grant Rowson's avatar

I remember Rocky & Bullwinkle! One of my favourite shows as a kid (though I was only able to catch a few episodes.

But to your Vance allusion: Agreed! In fact, I have suspicions that he’s the real threat and that everyone there is using Dump as the figure head for everything — let him be seen as the raving lunatic, the chain-saw holder destroying the American system, the antagonizer supreme of all other world leaders, etc., etc., etc. So that when Congress/Cabinet gets a spine, they 25th Amend Trump — and voila, we have Prez Vance on our hands (who will still do all the same things but with more careful deliberations so as not to have riots on his hands, and judges not so quick to impede him, etc., etc.).

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Valerie's avatar

Any plans for impeaching or the post-Trump world have to include plans for how to impeach a Vice President. I don’t know the answer, I’m a new American and have been studying up on the Constitution and its history but I’m not there yet. But, yeah, any discussion about removing Trump has to include removing Vance.

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Grant Rowson's avatar

Only way I can see doing it is 25th Amendment to remove the incapacitated President (assuming “VP and majority of cabinet” agree).

Then the VP becomes president. Then s/he/they appoint somebody to be the new VP.

Once that’s settled, then you pull a second 25th amendment to declare the now new-President (former VP) incapacitated. and if new-VP & majority of cabinet agree, then the (old) VP is now out. New-VP becomes New-P 2.0 and that person appoints a new-VP 2.0

So, while it’s blatantly obvious that the Orange One is suffering from dementia (he can’t even remember what agreements he signed, plus can’t make complete thoughts, and somehow thinks that a few hundred lbs of fentanyl coming INTO Canada FROM the USA is somehow thousands of ibs coming from Canada to USA and worth billions of dollars of tariffs and damaged economic systems in two countries + 1,000’s of people’s lives all turned asunder — I doubt the current cabinet would dare do it (unless somebody finds something that they are more scared of than him!).

And then, can you say that JDV is incapacitated? That’s actually not defined in the Constitution but I strongly suspect that he would pass any medical test that could declare him of unsound mind — bat shit crazy political views, but that’s not the same as “unsound.” :-(

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