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Barbara M's avatar

This is frightening, beyond belief for all Americans. Deaths from childhood illnesses will escalate at an alarming rate 😌

foofaraw & Chiquita(ARF!)'s avatar

This is my brand-new definition of MAGA, and it certainly fits in this discussion...

MAGA: Someone who hates the things they hate, more than they love the things they love.

PROGRESSIVES: Someone who loves the things they love...

Janet Wilson's avatar

Progressives: folks who back policies that do the most possible for the most people possible. Trump also calls progressives "radical left loonies"....

foofaraw & Chiquita(ARF!)'s avatar

Absolutely!

Certainly at least as accurate as my consideration of, "...more than they hate the things they hate."

No matter who, what, when, where, why or how, progressives/libs/Dems will ALWAYS place JUSTICE and EQUALITY at the top of the list of global priorities.

And MAGA/GOP is absolutely baffled by that level of selflessness. They call it "Democrats sticking together", but it goes so FAR beyond that.

Thank you, Janet.

Janet Wilson's avatar

You are welcome pet! I am sick of right wing/Republican folks hissing at me that having a universal national health care plan is "socialist"....and that Democrats "hemorrhage" money because they use tax dollars to fund social safety nets.

foofaraw & Chiquita(ARF!)'s avatar

I came to my (above) posted "revelation" after talking on the phone to one of Mom's hospice workers just a bit ago.

This is someone who very often deals with poor, sick, elderly people with limited resources and severe medical needs, and she certainly seems to have nothing but love and caring in her heart.

This seeming "free-range" MAGA (female, no less) has had me tearing my brain apart to understand. While I don't want to dive too deeply into that circle of hell, I MUST know...WHY!?!?

By her own admission, she's very happy for the Top 0.1% to receive $3-4 TRILLION dollars in gifts (paid by benefit cuts and higher taxes for America's POOREST), and is perfectly content that there may only be ONE bill in all the the past 75 YEARS that the GOP has supported for the purpose of assisting middle-American, working-class people...

As long as NO IMMIGRANT ("legal" or otherwise) EVER crosses the US/Mexico border!!!

The ONLY way I could make any sense of this maddening lack of logic is my original post. Sure, she's capable of love. But clearly she's MORE capable of hate.

Thank you, Janet. (Thoughts, maybe?)

Janet Wilson's avatar

I have been shocked, and saddened, by the rampant anti-immigrant rhetoric that I hear from so many folks who should know better. And whose antecedents were themselves immigrants...

I think unprincipled politicians have managed to convince people that all their problems are the fault of some "other". If some other is at fault for all your troubles, you don't need to look at yourself, do you? You just vote for the racist with the easy answers. Immigrants are easy targets, especially in what has traditionally been a white society in which those of colour have been either outright descendants of slaves, or folks who don't act like your particular culture. It is maddening.

In most western nations, the birth rate is falling, fast. We no longer can expect a stable population or a growing one, without immigrants. If you want to maintain your tax base, and all the programs it pays for, you will see that immigrants bring prosperity, not take it away. And the housing crisis is not their fault, nor are they occupying the houses your kids plan to buy....which your kids cannot afford simply because real wages have been falling since the 1960's, thanks to corporations successfully lobbying electeds for concessions. And the medical system is overloaded because it is underfunded, not because new immigrants are crowding you out of the Emerg department.

And if they need a more selfish reason....remind them that Russia and China are facing massive, imminent population crashes, now is a good time for other nations to bolster their own populations and the attendant tax base/worker base.

Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

I have way, way too many T-shirts, but I need one that says "RADICAL LEFT LOONY." (P.S. If you know a friendly vendor who's selling them, don't tell me about it. <g> )

foofaraw & Chiquita(ARF!)'s avatar

Thanks, Jean.

But I wish I was wrong...

Jean Conley's avatar

No offense(!), but I wish you were, too........... Thanks for your reply.

Ruthy Wexler's avatar

Unfortunately that is what these people want. They're playing a game. They're spoiled rich kids who are playing with real people. Robert Kennedy Jr is a really disturbed person. Sadistic, to begin with, in a way I cannot even begin to conceive.

Barbara M's avatar

In Britain we have had —Tories,Labour ,Tories Labour, alternating year after bloody year after each election. The promises are given, we listen, we vote for the promises we think will turn our country around. Does it. No. It gets deeper and deeper into the grime .. the rich get richer , the poor get poorer. A country should be run by ordinary hard working folk. People who have struggled in life , know exactly what changes must be made. But we end up with (at present time) a Lawyer who does not recognise his azzz from his elbow. First thing .. stopping Winter Fuel Allowance as soon as he was voted in, for Pensioners who paid their taxes all their lives ,till they retired.. Instead puts 50,000 Imigrants up in 4 star Hotels, keeping them warm. costing tax payers 5 million £’s a week.. you just could not make this up. As in America we are held at random over bloody idiots who do not know hiw to run s mike, never mind run out government. I despair 😌😌

MaryAnnP's avatar

The Regime wants us sick, poor, tired, and uneducated. And white.

jj's avatar

Don't forget Christian

Ellie still in the mix in 26's avatar

Christian Nationalist. They don't like that wimp from Nazareth, one little bit. They want Manly Republican Jesus who said, "Let the children suffer," and "Don't feed those people, they'll only want more."

Merri Ann Gonzalez's avatar

RFK JR is NOT a doctor, he is a bonafide conspiracy theory peddler. The Covid vaccine was NOT rushed... It was already in the works for YEARS. But by all means don't let those pesky facts get in the way. Childhood vaccines once a child is no longer breast feeding and has zero immunity need to be given to avoid life threatening debilitating childhood illnesses. Vaccines have been being given for decades and are safe. The recommendation is to give the vaccines mmr one at a time. Either way, they should be given.

Thomas Moore's avatar

COVID was a new disease so what you say is impossible. I think you mean that mRNA vaccines were in the works for years.

Merri Ann Gonzalez's avatar

Covid-19 was a novel virus.....the mRNA tech was in the works for over 50 years. So the point was that they didn't FROM SCRATCH develop a vaccine in a few months because our incompetent president cracked the whip.

Ellie still in the mix in 26's avatar

Just have to inject - I was a breast fed baby, but still got whooping cough, because my pediatrician thought 1. I was protected and 2. He didn't advise vaccines before the age of 1. I almost died at 9 months from pertussis. But, that was 1947! We SHOULD know better now.

Merri Ann Gonzalez's avatar

Not trying to pick on "the mom" here, but if there was a break in the breast feeding for a period of time for whatever reason that could have precipitated your becoming ill. But I am all on board for giving all inoculations to newborns period. The passive immunity is was and always has been not complete and certainly not absolute.

Ellie still in the mix in 26's avatar

The mom was very much for vaccines, and when the first pro disease people started getting all the publicity with ex doctor Wakefield, she was furious.

Dee Joy's avatar

Rfk jr is against vaccines and Tylenol then why is he and all his children and grand children vaccinated??

Dawn's avatar

Wow anti vaxxers are as dumb as there leader, imagine that 🤷‍♀️

Catherine's avatar

Thank you for every Dr. who is trying to continue, key CONTINUE to practice with our knowledge and our oath in tact

JW's avatar

It’s scary, cruel and unforgivable to risk the return of a polio epidemic when the world has the means to eradicate the awful disease.

FlyontheWall's avatar

I'm old enough to remember people of all ages going around in leg braces from polio, parents cautioning their children not to play in the creeks. Everybody knew somebody with a family member in an iron lung. Birth defects from prenatal exposure to rubella. Mumps causing male sterility. Fever so high it caused seizures. ABI from Encephalitis causing learning, social and emotional disabilities. If you haven't lived it it's not scary enough to take seriously.

RoxC's avatar

You're absolutely right. Thank you for remembering for us the horrors of life before vaccines.

FlyontheWall's avatar

Excellent choice of word, "horrors". I would add, for those who are too young to know, remember Covid. Remember the early days, those horrors, and the gut clenching, lizard brain existential fear that you could get it and you could die. It was like that.

CE's avatar

And now many seniors have Post polio syndrome. My neighbor has it, it seems so unfair that he suffered as a child,recovered mostly, and now in his later years must be troubled by polio all over again.

Pamela Usrey's avatar

Yes, my cousin was crippled by polio. I am old enough to remember the miracle of the polio sugar cube vaccine given to me in the school cafeteria. Thank goodness we had those and more to keep us safe. This regime is criminal. They want people dead.

FlyontheWall's avatar

That sugar cube lol! Kinda a pinky lavender, wish they were all on sugar cubes, kids wouldn't be so afraid.

Pamela Usrey's avatar

Yes, sir. NOBODY thought twice about taking that sugar cube. The fear of polio was so real that we never questioned it!

Susan Raquel's avatar

This is probably not my actual memory; but, my mother's account of the both of us standing in line waiting for our turn for me to get the sugar cube.

I think that I was in the 8th grade when we got a new student. She wore a leg brace due to having had polio.

Just recently I had a talk with my son regarding my grand daughter and whether or not she had vaccines. I'm sure she did because in CA they are required for school. I didn't tell my son that as I wanted to see what he knew. Well, he didn't know if she had had them or not.

I then talked to him about the importance of vaccines and the various problems that could arise if children didn't have them.

Sugarboo2022's avatar

The ignorance is staggering!! I can't help but think this administration wants to get rid of people who are poor, sick, old and mentally challenged.

W S Schermerhorn's avatar

Eugenics and concentration camps for opposition next

Steve's avatar

Republicans have been aiming to do this for decades. They want to take from the poor and give it to the very wealthy.

Pamela Usrey's avatar

At some point the system they are building is doomed to fail and will collapse.

Steve's avatar

What shall happen if another pandemic comes? 😱😱

Pamela Usrey's avatar

Don't want to know. Imagine RfkJr leading the country. We will be chanting spells.

susan roden's avatar

I think there's so much truth in what you are saying. But Americans don't want to acknowledge it.

Change Champion's avatar

It's like a slow version of the movie the purge

Robert Goldbach's avatar

Straight from the NAZI playbook Mein Kampf, and all of the other Nazi-related treatises on eugenics. Why don't people recognize that this is not making America great, it's going backwards!!

Susan Raquel's avatar

As much as I hate what the Nazi did in relation to eugenics it is shameful that they took their cues from the USA.

You are absolutely correct about America going backwards.

A historical perspective re eugenics. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2757926/

Robert Goldbach's avatar

Thank you for this reference!

Dee Joy's avatar

It's making america great for the wealthy. It's the golden age for billionaires. Where are the Epstein files??

Carol Bahrami's avatar

First, talk to your doctors. If you don’t like what they tell you, find another doctor

Patricia Dow's avatar

Unfortunately, that's not so easy these days – finding another doctor has become a real ordeal.

Toni's avatar

It’s common sense to me as a child I received these vaccines and also my children. They have no side effects nor did they get any of the illnesses they were vaccinated for so what’s the problem.

Janet Wilson's avatar

Evildoers and conspiracy theorists know that for a very, very small percentage of people vaccinated, there will be either a bad reaction or failure of the vaccine to prevent disease. They focus on that tiny percentage and don't talk about how the vast majority of those vaccinated gain valuable protection.

It is IMHO evil to exploit people by spreading these anti-vaxx distortions and lies.

Dee Joy's avatar

Why is it that trump always validates everything wrong and evil? Trump and his regime are demons

Catherine's avatar

And I’m proud of the West Coast Health Alliance for protecting Drs in practice and keeping the population as healthy as possible.

Robert Goldbach's avatar

Let's also have a Northeast Alliance and a Great Lakes Alliance as next steps. We can hit a critical mass so that other states will see that by not opting in, they are missing out.

olderwoman's avatar

Measles, Mumps Rubella is bad but what always scared me was

Diphtheria, Pertussis and Whooping Cough.

Whooping cough especially, I could envision my, or any, baby just coughing and coughing and coughing and not being able to inhale and breathe, it was all exhale and coughing. That is the one that scared me the most Whooping Cough.

Coco Lemieux's avatar

I had whooping cough when I was a baby. I grew up with my mom telling me how she used to put me under the running tap to help me breathe. It was a very difficult and scary time for her so you are correct that it is a very scary disease. Vaccination is so important for all these diseases for which vaccines exist and have proven their worth.

olderwoman's avatar

Like why WOULDN'T you vaccinate your child against Whooping Cough, just the name alone sounds awful. I feel sorry for your mother, she must have been terrified.

Ellie still in the mix in 26's avatar

My children all had the vaccine for pertussis, but my daughter got it as an adult (early 20s) because we didn't know a booster was needed. So, everyone should ask their doctors about boosters.

Michele Landy's avatar

I had whooping cough. It was awlful. My mother ran a vaporizer all day and night. I would get coughing spells that would burn my chest. I was given some medicine I’m sure one for my cough. I was sick for weeks.

olderwoman's avatar

That is exactly what I envisioned Michele. I was so happy to know my children would never get Whooping Cough because of the precious vaccines.

When I was a child way more than 5 decades ago, we got vaccinated for smallpox and polio. Polio was prevelent, my friend next door Vicky had polio and a kind of a thin leg, and had to wear a leg brace and special custom made orthopedic shoes. In our state they just lined the kids up in the hallway at school and everyone got the vaccine. The nurses came in from the health department and went school by school and vaccinated all the children, I don't even think there were permission slips, we just all, every single one of us were vaccinated against polio and I believe smallpox. It wasn't even a question, it was "this is the way it is, all kids are getting the polio vaccine on this day so make sure your kid is in school." We never went to private doctors, the health department did the vaccinations in school. I still remember the nurses with their starched white uniforms and little hats.

Lauren Tyson's avatar

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Rebecca G Tucker's avatar

I heard somewhere that Steven Miller wants the US population to be 100 million, so this crap will help kill off part of those 240 million he wants to get rid of. Keep up the fight for those of us who want to stay on the planet.

Linda's avatar

And they don’t want to be called Nazis and Communists..Guess what they sure are acting like it….

Christine L Collins's avatar

Haven't seen that but likely true. He wants a population defined by eugenics, and through economic scarcity, punishment through taxation and reduction in SS and Medicare benefits, limited healthcare, expulsion of undesirables, and sanctioned violence against anyone other than a white right wing Christian, he will achieve that. Likely by the end of this term or next. Vance is a co-conspirator, all in on who deserves to be considered "American". The sooner the elderly go, the singles (working or retired) are forced to sell homes, and the sick and disabled are eliminated from the gene pool, the better in Miller (and HHS Kennedy)'s minds, the better.

D Olson's avatar

This allegation would be explosive if it could be proven to come from Miller instead of “somewhere “. Would you try to track it down, please?

Susan Raquel's avatar

"According to the Wall Street Journal, Donald Trump once joked in a closed-door meeting that “if it were up to [Stephen] Miller, there’d only be 100 million people in this country, and they’d all look like Miller.”

Certainly not proof that Miller said this although I wouldn't have been surprised if he had.

Dee Joy's avatar

Peter thiel, Curtis yarvin, musk and other tech bros want to reduce the population to 50 million. They want to divide america into their own safe cities that they rule over as they please without government interference. Look up YouTube videos and they will tell you in their own words.

"All minorities are undesirables and it would be cheaper to turn them into bio fuel" - Peter thiel.

"People don't pay attention. Our plans are so outrageous, no one will believe it until it's too late." - Curtis yarvin

Rebecca G Tucker's avatar

I'll try to find the source. I read so much each day I get lost in the debris -

Susan Raquel's avatar

I know what you mean. I read all kinds of reports and substacks and remember bits and pieces of ones that I am most interested in. Then along comes a post in a substack and the hunt is on to find whatever report or website that I saw, that discussed that issue. Sometimes I get completely frustrated because I can't find the exact same site I had read. :-(

My curiosity also comes into play. Sometimes someone posts something I hadn't heard of before and I want more information about it. No doubt in my mind that Miller is behind a lot of what trump does because I think that he always is the one that last talks to trump.

Janet Wilson's avatar

In 1900, 40% of children died before the age of 5, mostly due to vaccine-preventable illnesses (mumps, measles, whooping cough, diptheria, chicken pox, tetanus, polio, meningitis). And that does not take into account those who survived but were disabled by these diseases.

My father fell ill in the last polio epidemic in Canada and required months in hospital as a teen, losing the muscles in his back, lower abdomen and left calf. He was not expected to walk again, but who tells a teen that? He did walk, with difficulty and a severe limp, for most of his adult life. But most sports were impossible, he lived with chronic pain, and then was exhausted by post-polio syndrome as a senior...finally losing his mobility at that point.

A friend was infected with mumps as at 12, just before the vaccines were available, and suffered orchitis, where mumps infect the testicles. Alas both his were affected and the doctor never told the family he would be sterile. This came as devastating news to him and his wife after years of trying to start a family in their 30's. This side effect of mumps happens in 25-40% percent of post-pubescent males.

Failing to do everything we can, using all our possibly God-given talents and gifts, to prevent preventable diseases and the grief and suffering they bring is simply evil.

The Republican party has failed to realize the cost savings of denying vaccines to Americans will create enormous health costs going forward to care for those disabled by preventable disease.

But hey, the wealthy get their trillion dollars of your tax money anyway.

Every Republican in Congress is guilty of treason against their fellow Americans for supporting this appalling "administration".

Becca's avatar

Do Doctors have to follow the Recommendations of RFK ??

Merry's avatar

No. I’m a licensed physician and like most doctors, I rely on well-documented research. And I make recommendations based on each patient’s individual needs. And medical doctors are under direct supervision of medical boards and follow guidelines provided by their professional recommendations. The first oath is DO NO HARM.

It’s absolutely absurd that someone like RFKJr is Director of HHS. He has NO medical training, experience or background. And his personal behavior creates grave concerns about his mental health and his ability to make decisions that could affect, alter, and endanger millions of lives. He’s essentially practicing medicine without a license, which is illegal in all 50 states.

“Unlicensed practice of medicine is considered a serious crime because it endangers public health. Law enforcement can arrest and charge an individual engaging in these activities.”

“State medical boards are the agencies that license medical doctors, investigate complaints, discipline physicians who violate the medical practice act, and refer physicians for evaluation and rehabilitation when appropriate. The overriding mission of medical boards is to serve the public by protecting it from incompetent, unprofessional, and improperly trained physicians. Medical boards accomplish this by striving to ensure that only qualified physicians are licensed to practice medicine and that those physicians provide their patients with a high standard of care.

“The right to practice medicine is a privilege granted by the state. Each state has laws and regulations that govern the practice of medicine and specify the responsibilities of the medical board in regulating that practice. These regulations are laid out in a state statute, usually called a medical practice act. State medical boards establish the standards for the profession through their interpretation and enforcement of this act.”

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/role-state-medical-boards/2005-04

Dee Joy's avatar

Welcome to trumps america where nazi fascism rules. Project 25 has taken over the constitution.

Emma G's avatar

The bottom line is that they want the baby boom generation to die off - it is revolting (I am just behind that in the older part of Gen X). I remember Bill Clinton speaking generally about the country on a talk show many years ago. He was no longer president but was talking about how the future of the US is bright. He stated that it would be a challenge to take care of the boomers, but after that generation it was lower population. So, this is what we know about our population on the macro level, and I believe republicans do not care whether our current boomers are well taken care of. And as soon as they get to it, they will "re-assess" Social Security/Medicare and make changes. Raise the age to qualify for benefits (which are not "entitlements" - we all pay in for years to fund this!), privatize SS so it is traded on Wall Street, etc. I fully expect those changes to come if this regime is allowed to continue.

And as far as vaccines - just plain stupidity. Embarrassing.