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Kawi's avatar

I was just listening to the Legal AF

Podcast about the Alien Enemies Act and trump promising to use it on his first day in office.

Watching those Nazi rubes at the boat parade, I can not believe there are no legal ways to put a quick end to that shit while Biden still enjoys the newly given presidential immunity. Voting almost seems a ridiculous option considering the imminent threat to democracy. The first amendment all the crazies are hiding behind only goes so far and should have its justifiable and explainable limitations.

With a German upbringing and living in Canada I cannot believe what is going on in the US in bright daylight and out in the open for everybody who cares to see.

The picture of cattle being pushed towards the slaughterhouse comes to my mind.

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Stuart Ferguson's avatar

We have entered a crisis mode. I have ex-friends who have begun supporting both Putin and Hitler. It is nauseating. This coincided with the entrance of Trump onto the political scene, and began accelerating rapidly.

The final straw for me came near the election, in a night that I am not likely to ever forget. :/ I have been oscillating between appalled , furious , depressed beyond words , and occasionally just pity them all.

Trump supporters do not seem capable of realizing that, should this monster win, it will be even worse for them in the end, than if he loses.

At least for the moment, they have the option of retreating from the brink. But in the awful nightmare that would follow a victory for MAGA, that would rapidly evaporate as their 'leader' begins the pogroms versus his 'enemies' and demands their loyalty... :/

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Lewiekee's avatar

That President Biden has not used his presidential immunity to harm another citizen, even when they are destructive, shows the integrity he has as well being a stronghold for democracy.

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Kawi's avatar

The end justifies the means, especially if your "Supreme" Court created the tools that - no doubt - will be used recklessly by the next republican potus.

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L. A. Tisoncik's avatar

Yes and no.

If this becomes a lawless country -- let's say the Supreme Court throws the election to Trump, or there is some other process to override the will of the voters -- then we are not ourselves bound by law in our response in order to defend democracy.

But we are bound by tactics that will allow us to easily transition back to the rule of law and democratic institutions, if that is our goal. Should we extra-constitutionally arrest Nazis? Sure, when constitutionality has broken down. Should we give them something resembling a fair trial, even if it's occuring outside of a constitutional structure? Yes. Should sentences approximate what a constitutional system would dispense? Yes. Because they're (for example) happy with concentration camps for their enemies, does not mean we should indulge such impulses.

That said I hope we don't ever get to that point.

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Kawi's avatar

I applaud your honorable attitude. I wholeheartedly agree with you - under normal political conditions. I think we can agree on the fact that the last 7-8 years are a far cry from the common definition of 'normal'.

As I was reading your comment, a strange thought occurred to me. Somehow the situation described in your comment seems to have more than one thing in common with the situation of women seeking comprehensive prenatal care in Texas or Georgia. The most obvious similarity is the time constraints, but also the fact that real help is not available.

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