Nobody said "grovel," we all know (Zelenskyy included) what venal & shitass intentions drumpf has, but the negotiations behind the scenes were what counted, & I'm just suggesting Z missed an opportunity to marshall across-the-aisle support from those reckless members of our congress & make it even more likely for drumpf to piss them off.…
Nobody said "grovel," we all know (Zelenskyy included) what venal & shitass intentions drumpf has, but the negotiations behind the scenes were what counted, & I'm just suggesting Z missed an opportunity to marshall across-the-aisle support from those reckless members of our congress & make it even more likely for drumpf to piss them off. As putin intended, & his orange lapdog facilitated, this path leads to potentially bankrupting the EU & making the world even more vulnerable to authoritarian takeover. We all know WW3 has already begun, & Ukraine is the 1st line of defense for the rest of the globe. That's all im talking about, sorry if you think I'm being petty.
I thought I had replied to your comment earlier, but it was posed as a comment instead:
This debate is going nowhere. We fundamentally disagree. I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture; whether you use the word "grovel" or not, you're arguing Zelenskyy should have stroked Numpty's ego in public in spite of being ambushed and treated with outrageous disrespect and lies. I call that grovelling.
There can be no doubt Zelenskyy was set up and ambushed in an attempt to humiliate and bully him into signing a deal that would only benefit his enemy (Putin) and Putin's mouthpiece, Cap'n Bone Spurs, who should have boned up on the book he didn't write -- Art of the Deal -- before sending Hegseth to the UN and Vance to Munich to give up all bargaining leverage IN PUBLIC before private negotiations even began.
Putin is on the rails now. He's been reduced to importing mercenaries and even N. Korean soldiers; his equipment was outdated to begin with, has been further decimated by Ukraine, and inflation in Russia is at 20%. Yet here's Cap'n BS telling the world he's ready to pull out of NATO and claiming Putin's invasions were Zelenskyy's fault, something he's been doing since Putin invaded in 2022.
King Orange has already played his cards, and the fool doesn't have a good hand, if he ever did. He's desperate to make a deal; he campaigned on a promise it would be easy for him to make peace within 24 hours of being elected. HE was humiliated on the world stage, not Zelenskyy, and Zelenskyy was able to put his argument before the American people with dignity and courage.
Marco Rubio is on record saying that Zelenskyy could have signed the deal and never even needed to come to the WH (which is what King Demented wanted). Zelenskyy said he would never sign the deal because it gave him no security from Putin. Now Europe is doing what we should have done: promising to defend Zelenskyy with all they have. Europe knows the risks to them if Putin is appeased the way Neville Chamberlain tried unsuccessfully to appease Hitler.
Youre responding defensively as though I disagree with you. I can only assume you are as off-putting in person as anyone else who simply cannot abide being denied having the last word. So go ahead.
Nobody said "grovel," we all know (Zelenskyy included) what venal & shitass intentions drumpf has, but the negotiations behind the scenes were what counted, & I'm just suggesting Z missed an opportunity to marshall across-the-aisle support from those reckless members of our congress & make it even more likely for drumpf to piss them off. As putin intended, & his orange lapdog facilitated, this path leads to potentially bankrupting the EU & making the world even more vulnerable to authoritarian takeover. We all know WW3 has already begun, & Ukraine is the 1st line of defense for the rest of the globe. That's all im talking about, sorry if you think I'm being petty.
I thought I had replied to your comment earlier, but it was posed as a comment instead:
This debate is going nowhere. We fundamentally disagree. I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture; whether you use the word "grovel" or not, you're arguing Zelenskyy should have stroked Numpty's ego in public in spite of being ambushed and treated with outrageous disrespect and lies. I call that grovelling.
There can be no doubt Zelenskyy was set up and ambushed in an attempt to humiliate and bully him into signing a deal that would only benefit his enemy (Putin) and Putin's mouthpiece, Cap'n Bone Spurs, who should have boned up on the book he didn't write -- Art of the Deal -- before sending Hegseth to the UN and Vance to Munich to give up all bargaining leverage IN PUBLIC before private negotiations even began.
Putin is on the rails now. He's been reduced to importing mercenaries and even N. Korean soldiers; his equipment was outdated to begin with, has been further decimated by Ukraine, and inflation in Russia is at 20%. Yet here's Cap'n BS telling the world he's ready to pull out of NATO and claiming Putin's invasions were Zelenskyy's fault, something he's been doing since Putin invaded in 2022.
King Orange has already played his cards, and the fool doesn't have a good hand, if he ever did. He's desperate to make a deal; he campaigned on a promise it would be easy for him to make peace within 24 hours of being elected. HE was humiliated on the world stage, not Zelenskyy, and Zelenskyy was able to put his argument before the American people with dignity and courage.
Marco Rubio is on record saying that Zelenskyy could have signed the deal and never even needed to come to the WH (which is what King Demented wanted). Zelenskyy said he would never sign the deal because it gave him no security from Putin. Now Europe is doing what we should have done: promising to defend Zelenskyy with all they have. Europe knows the risks to them if Putin is appeased the way Neville Chamberlain tried unsuccessfully to appease Hitler.
Youre responding defensively as though I disagree with you. I can only assume you are as off-putting in person as anyone else who simply cannot abide being denied having the last word. So go ahead.
You did disagree with me. And now you're making a personal attack on me because I responded.
p.s. This video puts what I've said in another format: https://substack.com/@badchoicesmakegoodstories/note/c-97189110?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=2nt1ay