I like this idea, but I’m not entirely convinced. I think Fox News is still the juggernaut that is setting the framing that off-foots the Democrats. Maybe they are getting it from even more partisan sites. And you’ve also missed that the far left alternative ecosystem does function but undercut Harris over Gaza, which I suspect was ampli…
I like this idea, but I’m not entirely convinced. I think Fox News is still the juggernaut that is setting the framing that off-foots the Democrats. Maybe they are getting it from even more partisan sites. And you’ve also missed that the far left alternative ecosystem does function but undercut Harris over Gaza, which I suspect was amplified by those who wish to divide the Left, for whatever reasons of their own.
Fox polluted the thought process of millions of voters in the baby boomer and older generation. It was “inexcusable” that Biden failed to have (even if that meant a fight) Fox removed as the de facto broadcast on military bases etc. Anywhere Biden had the Executive Order authority to ban Fox, President Biden should have done so - years ago. That’s Marketing 101. They were lying on air - terminate the contract.
Going forward - I agree that the marketing strategy has to change in a major way.
So many voters were born after 9/11. They grew up with constant war, school active shooter drills and the lying that has become standard fair since Trump first took the stage.
Give the younger people much more of a say in guiding the Democratic Party in its marketing strategy. They are the future voters who will swing elections.
I noticed that Fox was on everywhere as soon as I arrived in the US as an immigrant many years ago. In the airports, in large stores, in car dealer's waiting rooms etc etc....always Fox !!! At first I just thought it was 'TV' and did not pay much attention, then it gradually became obvious which side it was promoting ! Trouble is a lot of people do not study political concepts very carefully & if they watch this stuff it is getting thru to them because it is very subtle in how it puts out the messaging !
It was a brilliant strategy on the part of Murdock and friends. Why it was allowed to go on totally baffled me. The FOX message became more and more right wing propaganda without any pushback despite having Democratic Administrations.
Absolutely. Dems avoid bold moves. Yes, ban fix on military bases. They were caught lying about the election and lost a suit to dominion. We have to be bold.
And I encourage young people to run for office. There's an organization called Run for Something and they support ordinary people running for office. I suggest these young people do some type of community projects to get there name in the public. Then run for office. Don't overlook city council, county commissioner, Mayor, superintendent...
Following my thought further… the reason Trump and the other R leaders were well received in the right wing ecosystem was their message of outrage, which is the kind of message that spreads like wildfire. Centrist neoliberal Dems aren’t going to get anywhere on the left wing ecosystem either their milquetoast proposals. Gaza played on the left but hurt our centrist candidates. We need similar outrage to fire up the base. We need bold Progressive ideas like Medicare for All and No More Oil. We need the Democrats to be bold populists and civil rights and gun control and climate activists and not cede the outrage to the far right. We have plenty of real problems to solve!
However, Dems need to have conventions like GOP. They have cpac, Texas GOP have their own convention, Turning Point, etc. They get on one sheet of music.
We need to meet and discuss ideas. I would love a convention where Bernie discussed medicare for all and Pete discussed the public option. We could ask questions and then choose one.
(I prefer the public option and if successful, would evolve into Medicare for all).
Imagine conventions for how to manage gun control. There are probably one million things we could do that I don't know about because Dems don't meet and build on ideas.
Imagine a conversation on education where we meet candidates running for school superintendents or librarians, discussing book bans, the department of education and what we can do to keep it solvent.
Each convention discuss what we can do, who's running for office, and help develop a platform.
They also need to go on the road to these areas where the low information voters are. We laugh at all the Trump rallies in podunk towns, but those rallies down hundreds of Podcaster and bloggers to gather where it makes these hot takes easier. Plus, it is much easier to show a rural food and health desert community that Dem policies are better for them when you're saying it from Norfolk, NE than from Norfolk, VA. Remember--we don't need to win those communities. We just need to create enough doubt that the other side is the right one that some people stay home.
Cat hello: When you say that the left "undercut" Harris over Gaza what does that mean? The Biden/Harris administration undercut itself by colluding with and financially backing a government that was and is flagrantly committing war crimes against humanity in Gaza. Some of us do see what's going on. Perhaps you should check out the Combatants for Peace (CfP) website and some other Palestinian/Israeli organizations that are working for Peace in the Middle East. So no - the "left" did not undercut Harris - she competently did it to herself.
By undercut I meant that some single-issue voters on Gaza let the perfect be the enemy of the good and decided to sit this election out. We have the worse of the two candidates on many, many issues, including Gaza, partly as a result of their choice. As a multi-issue progressive voter who cares deeply about climate change, gun control, voting rights, civil rights, bodily autonomy, democratic institutions, Ukraine, AND peace in the Middle East, I am saddened and frustrated that our work is now so much harder, if not impossible, on all those issues.
But my point was actually that the Left does have an outrage-fueled ecosystem like the Right, but unlike the candidate of the Right, who pushed the outrage buttons effectively, the candidate on the Left did not. This was partly her centrist strategy that failed, and partly IMO the fault of the left-leaning media coverage, which focused all Gaza all the time, while other progressive issues got lost. The result of both failures is that the better candidate also lost. WE lost.
All of us on the Left lost the outrage battle to the Right, but not because we have less to be outraged about. We need to do better! In the future, I’d like to see more variety of progressive policies from the Democrats to play to justified outrage on the Left and I’d like effective use of the alternative outlets on the Left to support rather than undermine the better candidate… there are plenty of good policies to choose from, including climate action, gun control, Medicare for all, etc. that actually have majority support and underlying justified outrage for fuel.
Let’s use them for good… let’s use them to win so we can use power for good, including pushing the better candidate to do more on the issues we care about…
if we get the chance, after this catastrophic loss to the forces of fascism.
Vel Santic: She did not advocate for a change in stance from the Biden administration's collaboration with and funding of the Netanyahu government that is committing war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza. She does not get a pass.
She may not have advocated passionately, but we still needed to support her/ give her a pass because the alternative was trump. Trump's ambassador to Israel said there's no such thing as a Palestinian. All of Gaza and other land belongs to Israel and Samaria. Trump's going to take "everything" from the Palestinians.
Might not love Harris' ideas about the Middle East, but she wouldn't let the fox into the henhouse. She would have advocated for more change than trump.
Sherry - the fox is already in the henhouse. Since I admit I am not a mindreader, your comment that she "would have" advocated for "more change" than Trump leaves me a bit bewildered. Maybe you're correct or you "would have been" correct if she had won. Guess we'll never know. 🙄
Excuse me. How do you arrive at the unfounded conclusion that I defend what happened on Oct 7. This tragic event - for which there is no excuse - did not happen in a vacuum. The creation of Israel also did not happen in a vacuum. It is convenient to push the delete button on what the expulsion from the newly-formed state of Israel meant to the people who had been living on that piece of real estate for centuries. I support the group Combatants for Peace (CfP) - a coalition of Palestinians and Israelis - searching desperately for a way to work together toward peace.
Yes the hostages were totally innocent victims of a terrorist attack. You obviously ignore the history of inhumane activities of the Israeli government supporting settlers in their illegal criminal activities against Palestinian civilians. And the Israeli government supporting decades-long inhumane actions by the IDF itself - again documented by whistleblowers themselves from within the IDF. These actions have been documented and disseminated on platforms accessible to those wishing to inform themselves. True - I am not a Zionist in that I am not of the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to a homeland at the expense of the civil rights of other individuals occupying the same territory. Yes, Israel exists. But it must abide by international laws. It has not done so and for that it must be held accountable. The United States exists. It was founded on territory upon which existed a Native American population that was decimated by the incoming population to ensure the ongoing existence of the settlers. O well. One of those inconvenient truths. These brutal lessons have been perpetrated historically throughout the ages and continue to be pursued by whatever regime - in collaboration with its allies - wishes to dominate a region.
I like this idea, but I’m not entirely convinced. I think Fox News is still the juggernaut that is setting the framing that off-foots the Democrats. Maybe they are getting it from even more partisan sites. And you’ve also missed that the far left alternative ecosystem does function but undercut Harris over Gaza, which I suspect was amplified by those who wish to divide the Left, for whatever reasons of their own.
Fox polluted the thought process of millions of voters in the baby boomer and older generation. It was “inexcusable” that Biden failed to have (even if that meant a fight) Fox removed as the de facto broadcast on military bases etc. Anywhere Biden had the Executive Order authority to ban Fox, President Biden should have done so - years ago. That’s Marketing 101. They were lying on air - terminate the contract.
Going forward - I agree that the marketing strategy has to change in a major way.
So many voters were born after 9/11. They grew up with constant war, school active shooter drills and the lying that has become standard fair since Trump first took the stage.
Give the younger people much more of a say in guiding the Democratic Party in its marketing strategy. They are the future voters who will swing elections.
I noticed that Fox was on everywhere as soon as I arrived in the US as an immigrant many years ago. In the airports, in large stores, in car dealer's waiting rooms etc etc....always Fox !!! At first I just thought it was 'TV' and did not pay much attention, then it gradually became obvious which side it was promoting ! Trouble is a lot of people do not study political concepts very carefully & if they watch this stuff it is getting thru to them because it is very subtle in how it puts out the messaging !
It was a brilliant strategy on the part of Murdock and friends. Why it was allowed to go on totally baffled me. The FOX message became more and more right wing propaganda without any pushback despite having Democratic Administrations.
I didn't know Dems had a counter offense to the team party. Never knew.
Dems need conventions several times a year (GOP has cpac, turning point, Texas had a convention...). That keeps them informed and on the same page.
Dems need that.
Absolutely. Dems avoid bold moves. Yes, ban fix on military bases. They were caught lying about the election and lost a suit to dominion. We have to be bold.
And I encourage young people to run for office. There's an organization called Run for Something and they support ordinary people running for office. I suggest these young people do some type of community projects to get there name in the public. Then run for office. Don't overlook city council, county commissioner, Mayor, superintendent...
Name recognition and then run for something.
Following my thought further… the reason Trump and the other R leaders were well received in the right wing ecosystem was their message of outrage, which is the kind of message that spreads like wildfire. Centrist neoliberal Dems aren’t going to get anywhere on the left wing ecosystem either their milquetoast proposals. Gaza played on the left but hurt our centrist candidates. We need similar outrage to fire up the base. We need bold Progressive ideas like Medicare for All and No More Oil. We need the Democrats to be bold populists and civil rights and gun control and climate activists and not cede the outrage to the far right. We have plenty of real problems to solve!
However, Dems need to have conventions like GOP. They have cpac, Texas GOP have their own convention, Turning Point, etc. They get on one sheet of music.
We need to meet and discuss ideas. I would love a convention where Bernie discussed medicare for all and Pete discussed the public option. We could ask questions and then choose one.
(I prefer the public option and if successful, would evolve into Medicare for all).
Imagine conventions for how to manage gun control. There are probably one million things we could do that I don't know about because Dems don't meet and build on ideas.
Imagine a conversation on education where we meet candidates running for school superintendents or librarians, discussing book bans, the department of education and what we can do to keep it solvent.
Each convention discuss what we can do, who's running for office, and help develop a platform.
They also need to go on the road to these areas where the low information voters are. We laugh at all the Trump rallies in podunk towns, but those rallies down hundreds of Podcaster and bloggers to gather where it makes these hot takes easier. Plus, it is much easier to show a rural food and health desert community that Dem policies are better for them when you're saying it from Norfolk, NE than from Norfolk, VA. Remember--we don't need to win those communities. We just need to create enough doubt that the other side is the right one that some people stay home.
Cat hello: When you say that the left "undercut" Harris over Gaza what does that mean? The Biden/Harris administration undercut itself by colluding with and financially backing a government that was and is flagrantly committing war crimes against humanity in Gaza. Some of us do see what's going on. Perhaps you should check out the Combatants for Peace (CfP) website and some other Palestinian/Israeli organizations that are working for Peace in the Middle East. So no - the "left" did not undercut Harris - she competently did it to herself.
By undercut I meant that some single-issue voters on Gaza let the perfect be the enemy of the good and decided to sit this election out. We have the worse of the two candidates on many, many issues, including Gaza, partly as a result of their choice. As a multi-issue progressive voter who cares deeply about climate change, gun control, voting rights, civil rights, bodily autonomy, democratic institutions, Ukraine, AND peace in the Middle East, I am saddened and frustrated that our work is now so much harder, if not impossible, on all those issues.
But my point was actually that the Left does have an outrage-fueled ecosystem like the Right, but unlike the candidate of the Right, who pushed the outrage buttons effectively, the candidate on the Left did not. This was partly her centrist strategy that failed, and partly IMO the fault of the left-leaning media coverage, which focused all Gaza all the time, while other progressive issues got lost. The result of both failures is that the better candidate also lost. WE lost.
All of us on the Left lost the outrage battle to the Right, but not because we have less to be outraged about. We need to do better! In the future, I’d like to see more variety of progressive policies from the Democrats to play to justified outrage on the Left and I’d like effective use of the alternative outlets on the Left to support rather than undermine the better candidate… there are plenty of good policies to choose from, including climate action, gun control, Medicare for all, etc. that actually have majority support and underlying justified outrage for fuel.
Let’s use them for good… let’s use them to win so we can use power for good, including pushing the better candidate to do more on the issues we care about…
if we get the chance, after this catastrophic loss to the forces of fascism.
Vel Santic: She did not advocate for a change in stance from the Biden administration's collaboration with and funding of the Netanyahu government that is committing war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza. She does not get a pass.
She may not have advocated passionately, but we still needed to support her/ give her a pass because the alternative was trump. Trump's ambassador to Israel said there's no such thing as a Palestinian. All of Gaza and other land belongs to Israel and Samaria. Trump's going to take "everything" from the Palestinians.
Might not love Harris' ideas about the Middle East, but she wouldn't let the fox into the henhouse. She would have advocated for more change than trump.
Sherry - the fox is already in the henhouse. Since I admit I am not a mindreader, your comment that she "would have" advocated for "more change" than Trump leaves me a bit bewildered. Maybe you're correct or you "would have been" correct if she had won. Guess we'll never know. 🙄
Excuse me. How do you arrive at the unfounded conclusion that I defend what happened on Oct 7. This tragic event - for which there is no excuse - did not happen in a vacuum. The creation of Israel also did not happen in a vacuum. It is convenient to push the delete button on what the expulsion from the newly-formed state of Israel meant to the people who had been living on that piece of real estate for centuries. I support the group Combatants for Peace (CfP) - a coalition of Palestinians and Israelis - searching desperately for a way to work together toward peace.
Yes the hostages were totally innocent victims of a terrorist attack. You obviously ignore the history of inhumane activities of the Israeli government supporting settlers in their illegal criminal activities against Palestinian civilians. And the Israeli government supporting decades-long inhumane actions by the IDF itself - again documented by whistleblowers themselves from within the IDF. These actions have been documented and disseminated on platforms accessible to those wishing to inform themselves. True - I am not a Zionist in that I am not of the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to a homeland at the expense of the civil rights of other individuals occupying the same territory. Yes, Israel exists. But it must abide by international laws. It has not done so and for that it must be held accountable. The United States exists. It was founded on territory upon which existed a Native American population that was decimated by the incoming population to ensure the ongoing existence of the settlers. O well. One of those inconvenient truths. These brutal lessons have been perpetrated historically throughout the ages and continue to be pursued by whatever regime - in collaboration with its allies - wishes to dominate a region.
I am busy also. And you are the one who felt the need to comment on my response to Cat. Report all you want. Goodbye.