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Mike Hammer's avatar

Excellent points, well presented! It made me think how simple things could be if we take big money out of politics and let the people choose their leaders. That is an obtainable goal if we all keep our eyes on the prize and not fall for “The democrats are in disarray” malarkey.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

Well said, Mike!

And "big money" is another reason why I detest the corporate Democrats. Democrats HAVE been in power more than once during the past 50 years, and they HAVE had a chance to get Big Money out of our election process, but since they are sucking from the same teat as their GOP colleagues, they've done nothing.

In addition, has anyone with power ever considered opening the primaries to Independents? Maybe we wouldn't get these extremist candidates and have to vote for "the lesser of two evils" if we did.

senseisntcommon's avatar

Without "extremists", our party would never move forward. I was an extremist in the 70s when we kicked Nixon out, stopped the Viet Nam war and moved the country firmly back toward the democratic ideal of making life better for Americans: All Americans. The biggest danger we face at this point is an entrenched and corrupt supreme court. They are the source of the biggest problems and they are the result of Regan and a system that has degenerated as a result of fox disinformation and propaganda services. Meidas is perhaps a step towards initiating our own response to that abomination.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

Democrats weren't the only ones who sickened from Nixon's corruption and the Vietnam War, but at least the Republican party had a soul then and knew that cooperaton is essential for governing.

I was anti-war, protested, and was considered an extremist during the late 60s and early 70s. My parents shared my opinions on Nixon and the war, and we were all Republicans at the time.

I'll support the "extremist" or progressive (much nicer sounding word) Democrats now because I detest the establishment Democrats who haven't been much of an opposition party for decades, and have in their own "small" way contributed to this current malaise.

Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents this country ever had. He initiated the class warfare, division, corruption, and rightwing propaganda that have radicalized millions of Americans.

I have absolutely no arguments with your comments about the Supreme Court. And, of course, Meidas and other independent voices are providing a much needed alternative to the sold-out, soulless corporate media.

Yes, it's an abomination.

WJB Motown's avatar

My generation of Canadians will be boycotting and avoiding America for a long time. Until womens rights are returned, I will never set foot on American soil. Until healthcare is returned to the marginalized, the poor and every immmigrant, I will work 24/7 to protect my nation from American aggression.

Elbows Up....Never 51.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

And so you should. There is nothing worse than a betrayal of one's best friend. Most of us, including many of the Trump voters, have always had warm feelings for Canada, but Trump hardly had his inaugurals when he began insulting our friend.

Like you, I work to end this nightmare, but I don't expect any country who was once our ally to come back saying "All is forgiven" when Trump and this nightmare is over. Trump saves his worst verbal abuses for our allies, and no former ally is going to want things to be the way they were, knowing that Americans voted for a Trump twice and might do it again in the future.

Anonymous_lib.'s avatar

Even if that does happen you probably shouldn't come back

We don't need more self hating Americans here

WJB Motown's avatar

No problem.....guns and concentration camps...will take a pass.....What the fuck are self-hating Americans????

senseisntcommon's avatar

There is not only room for the disaffected republicans of the past, but we need them. They are every bit as American as any democrat. Together perhaps the reshaping of this poor, benighted country can begin.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

What a wonderful, affirming thing to say! Thank you!

senseisntcommon's avatar

Our country is the greatest single experiment in the history of humanity and if we work together it will survive.

Rhonda L Schneider's avatar

And lets not let Leonard Leo and friends off the hook either!

senseisntcommon's avatar

There are many to blame in the destruction of the supreme court, including chuck grassley in iowa. I would also posit the RBG screwed the pooch by not getting out early in biden's tenure. One less seat on the supre

Mike Hammer's avatar

Same here. Got beaten, kidnapped abd dropped and dropped off miles from anywhere. It was the day of the hardhat riots. 1970

Mike Hammer's avatar

Such a novel approach!

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

George Washington advised us against political parties in his 1796 Farewell Address. He said that political parties serve as "potent engines" that ambitious and unprincipled people use to subvert the power of the people and usurp the reins of government.

He, the other Founding Fathers, and our early presidents had a lot of sage advice that this country's leaders have ignored. Including John Quincy Adams' remark about the US "not going abroad looking for monsters to destroy."

Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves, because we have ignored their warnings.

Lee Lenard's avatar

Amazing the intelligence of our founding fathers and elected politicians had. Even many who were wealthy by 1776 standards, they were obsessed with freedom to make choices and pursue an enjoyable life. They talked, they discussed, they argued political opinions and they meditated, wrote and became statesman. All without Fox Entertainment News. They did not even have TV. Their brains were large, active and functional. Well maybe Hamilton and Burr got some bad moonshine.

If only DJT would challenge Gavin Newsome to a Hamilton-burr style contest.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

Yes, our Founding Fathers were wealthy, but true patriots coming of age during the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, and risking their lives and fortune to fight for freedom. The price of losing was hanging, and they all realized this and believed it was worth that chance.

The electronic age has done a lot to deaden the intellect and isolate the individual. Instead of spending our free time productively, we engage in passive entertainment ("Amuse me, electronic gadgets, because I'm bored").

I thought Harris did a decent job on her debate with Trump, and she had help because of his ridiculous claims ("They're eating cats and dogs in Springfield"). And little proves your point more than the fact that this did not dissuade people from abandoning this Orange Menance then and there.

senseisntcommon's avatar

Harris probably could have turned the election when asked, " what would you have done different from Joe Biden"? Instead of a well thought out response: controlled immigration more, gotten weapons to ukraine asap, etc... she basically said, "well nothing". Bad look at that time, and I have great respect for biden, he spent a large part of his life serving the US.

Dubhghlas D. Ó Muirgheasáin's avatar

Opening primaries to independents is a great idea, the trouble, however, is in there not being an "independent" political party, so independents have no independent party identification, which would then allow anybody of any political party to vote in primaries and that could badly skew a voting outcome. Picture one party overwhelming an opposition party's primary election, for instance.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

There are two organizations of Independents trying to get state governments to allow Independents to vote. I certainly don't think the current system is working for me or for anyone else except those who are benefiting from the status quo.

We didn't "have" to have political parties, and we certainly were never restricted to two except by those who benefit from the current malaise. Serving in a public office was never intended to be a career. Third party candidates have a terrible time even getting on the ballot in this exclusive two-party system, because neither major party wants to reform the status quo. Other countries have had more than two parties and have done well with coalition governments.

If we had more than two parties, I might not be an Independent. But both parties have a monopoly over our system, and neither represent me, and other voting Independents. Why should I be forced to join the lesser of two evils? Why should I be satisfied with joining the likes of Schumer and the other establishment Democrats who have been sitting on their hands watching the working class dribble away for 50 years, and just itching for the GOP to make Americans so miserable that they vote for Democrats just to stop the pain?

Connie Larsen's avatar

202 225 3121

Call any member of congress!

No save a t. No blanche

Do it!

senseisntcommon's avatar

allow anyone to vote in either primary

Karen D's avatar

"In addition, has anyone with power ever considered opening the primaries to Independents?"

Primaries are run by the states. My state allows anyone to vote in any primary since we don't register with a party. So, independents are welcome. The only time you're excluded is when there is a runoff election and if you didn't vote in that party's primary, you can't vote in that runoff.

But not all states do it that way.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

So I understand, which is why the Independent group Open Primaries has to tackle a state at a time to get Independents fully franchised.

Which state are you from? It sounds like a good place to move to.

Karen D's avatar

No, you don't want to move here...South Carolina 🙄

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Jane in NC's avatar

Hear! Hear! Seconded, Mike!

Daniel Solomon's avatar

If the big issue is medical care -- Medicare for All vs theft by deception -- we win. The unions and manufacturers have to be educated.... The same car model made in Windsor, Ontario is cheaper than one made in Detroit. Same car!

If the big issue is racism -- we lose. We need Slotkin and Peters and followers of the Levin brothers out front and center.

Most of the MAGA in MI are transplants -- generations of them.

"Last night I went to sleep in Detroit City

I dreamed about them cotton fields of home

I dreamed about my mother, dear old pappy, sister and brother

And I dreamed about the girl who's been waitin' for so long

Home folks think I'm big in Detroit City

From the letters that I write they think I'm just fine, yes they do

But by day I make the cars and by night I make the bars

If only they could read between the lines."

Jane in NC's avatar

The biggest stumbling block for Medicare for All has always been, and remains, a realistic discussion about the cost to taxpayers. Every time it's come up, the people advocating for it have been dodgy about the massive cost of implementing it. IF they address that, honestly, and make the case for it, it might start changing people's minds. But as long as they keep playing hide-the-ball on costs, they give republicans the opening to fear monger on it. For perspective, it took DECADES just to pass a proposal as moderate as the Affordable Care Act.

Chuck's avatar

This is why I think those like Dr. Abdul El-Sayed are crucial in our Congress: as an epidemiologist, he has FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE that can stand against (R) disinformation; and he's already considered the path to ensuring that ALL Americans can choose to be healthy AND buy groceries/pay rent/etc. (He *literally* "wrote the book on Healthcare for All...)

Putting record-setting settlement fraudstars (no typo) like Rick Scott in office to grift and insider trade does NOT help America's need to provide a healthy workforce and children able to learn.

You can't hire The Three Stooges and expect to build the Burj Khalifa or Washington Monument: if we want good governance, we must elect good representatives to enact our goals; and that means hiring those who WANT to work FOR us (not just themselves or their Crime Family) and for America.

Jane in NC's avatar

Dr. Anthony Fauci, also an epidemiologist, was just held in contempt of congress by the republicans. Don't be so sure that Dr. El-Sayed would be taken any more seriously by the deeply unserious people on the republican side. I hope he can make the case for universal healthcare, but he'll have to be honest about how much it will cost to individual taxpayers.

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

MAGA reminds me of a parody Letter to the Editor in the National Lampoon in the 70s, in which a yokel forgoes sending his son to the doctor for appendicitis because he knows full well that people are solid on the inside "like a baked potato," and he is going to do the operation himself.

MAGA hates qualified opinions.

Chuck's avatar

Sure: and I'm sure that being darker-than-wheat on the color swatch AND being an actual science guy will make Dr. El-Sayed a huge target for (R) cult bigot vilification.

But it's not about Republicans: it's about AMERICANS, who outnumber Republicans 2:1, and making the case about why WE, like 72 of the most "developed" countries on earth, should ensure that ALL our citizens have healthcare.

Like the gains made by unions that propagate to other non-union workers (minimum wage, 8-hr workday, overtime pay, standardized weekends, labor conditions and safety, ending child labor, higher pay and benefits like healthcare), the gains created by AMERICANS will also be enjoyed by Republicans (despite their refusal to honor our Constitution that MAKES us all Americans). We just need to get clear, concise details on HOW it will work from KNOWLEDGEABLE and ARTICULATE professionals who can explain the legalese and medicalese to regular Americans so we can decide wisely if we still prefer for-profit-by-shareholders healthcare, or a more egalitarian system where providers still earn VERY WELL as now, but where medical bankruptcy and denial of the treatment prescribed by a medical doctor by an accountant is --like balancing humours and bloodletting-- medical practice of the past.

Daniel Solomon's avatar

Most politicians are penny wise pound foolish.

If implementation is accompanied by elimination of the "collateral source" rule in litigation, the costs drop like a rock. Medicare has a silent lien on all permanent future damages. If the contingent liability is reduced the cost of most other insurance, like workers comp and personal liability will drop.

The reason it wasn't instituted when Hilarycare was up was that the insurance industry was opposed. In essence, they lobbied Hilary.

AI Overview

The collateral source rule prevents a defendant in a personal injury lawsuit from reducing their payout by showing that the plaintiff’s medical bills were paid by an outside source, such as Medicare.

How Medicare Applies to the Rule

General Rule: In many jurisdictions, Medicare is treated like private health insurance. Juries cannot be told that Medicare covered the medical costs, and the final damages award is not automatically reduced just because the government paid the bills.

Billed vs. Paid Amounts: Courts vary on whether a plaintiff can recover the full "billed" amount from a hospital or only the discounted amount Medicare actually paid the provider.

Jane in NC's avatar

There is no scenario in which the costs of Medicare for All 'drop like rock.' It will be massively expensive to implement. That expense may be worth it, and that's the case its proponents would have to make, but this continuous dodging of the cost to taxpayers is why it doesn't have a chance. At least until people start talking honestly about it.

Daniel Solomon's avatar

Not true. Don't need to reinvent the wheel to implement. The structure is already in place. You accept propaganda from the insurance industry. Not socialized medicine. Socialized insurance.

The reason Part B is high is that all beneficiaries are the halt, lame, blind and old; high risk. Add the general population and less risk, therefore costs drop. Not only for health care, but as health care is a cost of goods sole ( a n economic term) the cost of production of virtually everything would be less.

E,G, Medical malpractice insurance costs, as no longer high, would be reduced, and therefore medical providers would not have to charge as much.

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The U.S. system forces businesses and hospital networks to spend over $1,000 per person annually on administrative costs (coding, billing, and coverage disputes).

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C Bowlby's avatar

Well the fascist reps seem controlled and cowardly ( confused and destructive except about his own $ gain)

And dems campaign on honesty, human rights, preserving democracy, and stopping inflation& corruption!

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Connie Larsen's avatar

Yes get money out of politics! Fing ridiculous!

202 225 3121

Call n ask for any rep or senator!

No save, no blanche!

wish trump would take a header off sf1

Call n share the numbers!

sheryl jeffries's avatar

I agree. We need to get these Republicans out of office.

Pat Robinson's avatar

True and we need to be working both harder and smarter to make that happen. I appreciated the article the Contrarian did today about a winning 4 step plan to turn up the heat on GOP enablers. We need to be doing these things everywhere.

Janet Sanderson's avatar

We definitely need to clean House!

WJB Motown's avatar

Start with banning AIPAC.......send Schumer and Jeffires packing and bring on the young progressives that want universal healthcare.....100 % retrurn of all womens healthcare and banning of child marrage.........50 year old MAGA pedos should not be allowed to legally marrry a 14 year old child.

Anonymous_lib.'s avatar

How about we stop singling out Jewish super PACs and ban all of them

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C Bowlby's avatar

AGREED, plain& simple, TRUE!

Betsy Groth's avatar

There is no Republican Party anymore. There is only the Psychopath Supporting Greedy Fascist Party, aka MAGA.

LORI's avatar

Good article. When political pundits stop pontificating about the "division in the Democratic Party", and those within the party realize that we all want the same things, perhaps those in the party will unite, avoid self sabotage, and avoid what happened in 2016 and 2024. Hope springs eternal.

John W. McCarthy's avatar

Right. As Will Rogers said, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

Pamela Horter-Moore's avatar

Nothing is more idiotic than assuming I'm a progressive Democrat because I loathe Trump and his regime and everything it stands for.

Actually, I feel more affinity with NeverTrump Republicans. But since they have been ousted by the RINO MAGA Trump party, I haven't voted for anyone with an (R) next to their name since 2018. And that includes my innocuous state rep who is a Republican and has been in office for about 40 years -- long before the RINO MAGA Trump party lost its soul.

Brwnigal's avatar

The party I want is called “The do something about it” party.

Mary g Thoreson's avatar

Well, this actually makes sense!!

Stephen Burwood's avatar

Beware the narcissism of small differences. Reading this from the UK, the resonances with the debates and infighting in and around Labour are palpable and it was one thing that eventually undid Starmer’s premiership. Get it together folks. History will not be forgiving if the Democrats screw things up - especially given the opportunity and what’s at stake.

bjl's avatar

This is very much in line with Simon Rosenberg this morning!!! We can do this!!

G B's avatar

I couldn't disagree more people want change and electing the same old centrist corporate pac elected officials won't cut it. Because he's right about one thing people are pissed regular people are sliding out of the middle class and into the lower, everything is more expensive while wages remain flat. I'm not saying go far left I'm saying go populist stop with the same old malarkey "incremental change" and all that. America is at a cross roads our president is creating an oligarchy and Congress is doing nothing! People don't want things to go back to where they were they want change and until that happens we will continue to lose ground to the far right. Think of it like an old fashioned scale with the right on one side and the left on the other. Right now the scale is tipped way towards the right and the rich, you don't balance the scale by putting a tiny weight on the scale because heaven forbid the scale tips anywhere past even towards the left, you put a heavy weight to the left and if it goes to far you take some off. The scales for too long towards the right and the rich put something heavy on the left and take our country back from the oligarchy

Angie's avatar

It's more Republican think tank bullshit. I hope Americans are done listening to their hate.

Pat Robinson's avatar

I hope Americans are tired of their hate, but even if they are just tired of lies and high grocery prices and gas prices and well, everything, I hope they are tired of that in sufficient numbers to vote for something else and vote out the GOP. Of course it is up to us to be sure they have the proof (do they really need more proof..we all go to the grocery store every week and see it get harder and harder to feed out families AND pay the electric bill). We have to hold our candidates accountable to keep the focus on reality and not the distractions the GOP tries to fool us with. It's a shame the media is such little help...I'd love to see reporters (you know, the old fashioned kind that asked real questions and did not let interviewees off the hook) ask Mike Johnson just what DOES he know about...he, and actually so many other GOP members of Congress just say they don't know about that issue...what in the world DO they know about? When to do stock trades based on inside information from trump? Seems like that's about it.

Sally F's avatar

Good points made and I agree 100%. Voters don't sort themselves into categories. They resonate with someone who they think has their interests at heart authentically. Bernie Sanders addressed this issue really well in his interview with Ben last night. I'll try to paraphrase: It's not about labels, it's about raising the issues people care about and pretty much agree on (the state of healthcare, high prices, needless wars ...). That's how Mamdani campaigned for mayor in NYC and he seems to be keeping many of his campaign promises).

John W. McCarthy's avatar

How someone campaigns in NYC is different than how they campaign in NC!

Sally F's avatar

What I meant was he stuck to issues that were meaningful to people and that many (even some who didn't like him at first) could agree on.

Anonymous_lib.'s avatar

I disagree, it's VERY much about labels the medium voter doesn't vote based on factual evidence of the candidates they vote based on feelings on the economy and other issues they "felt" like trump was better for the economy dispite all the evidence proving otherwise

Sarah's avatar

While I agree with some of this, but for those reading this, you have to consider the person who wrote this. An establishment, Biden administration centrist. Progressives win BECAUSE they understand and speak the language of the people. They campaign by directly going door to door to people, because they don't take blood money to buy $70M in falsified and misleading tv ads. Progressives aren't wiping their hands with the flag -- that's all Trump, MAGA, and MAGA-friendly dems. Progressives talk about transforming a system that most of the country sees as irrevocably broken. Progressives are willing to propose the real change that matters and people want while do nothing, defensive, out-of-touch dems stand for nothing and do not stand for the ideals they claim because when push comes to shove their first job is to serve the corporations and genocidal governments that line their pockets and rhat's completely at odds with the job they were actually hired to do. We wouldn't be in this position if democrats really stood for and voted for what they claimed to believe. If you continue to support a party that sells out their constituents, stands for inaction, you are just as complicit as the trash in the White House. You do not fight at the time the country needs you the most. So get out of the way.

Susan Flory-McIntee's avatar

This is what I came to say!!! Good points are made, but the author is an establishment Dem.

senseisntcommon's avatar

It's time for people to grow up and that includes democrats. Yes we want change. Yes the system is corrupt. Yes it's true that not everyone agrees with me: that's called individualism. Any of you out there that think that others 100% agree with you truly fail to recognize the reality of life. We are, every one of us, different. Some of you get down on extremist newcomers who demand change. Some get down on the entrenched democrats who have been there, done that and demand they be replaced. Yes there is money in politics. Always has been. Always will be (hopefully not at current levels but....). Many of the old school democrats that young people get down on have in fact fought the good fight. Many of the new comers with new ideas are to be applauded. If we don't do this together, it won't get done. Once the primaries are done, we stand together and stop the bitching.

Brenda Filbey's avatar

I know as a voter I don’t care what you have to say. If you take PAC money any kind of donor money I will not vote for you. corporations and big donors are controlling our Congress and it’s got to stop. Term limits are of the most utmost importance.

Gili Chupak's avatar

total bs piece but that is expected from a democratic strategist

the democratic party needs to understand that they have laid the groundwork for MAGA and that this surge of working class policies is a rebellion against years of playing into the hands of billionaire donors. the michigan democratic primary was about money in elections as were the elections of all the other left candidates. the policies that they have campaigned on benefit the 99% by demanding that the 1% pay their fair share of taxes. there is nothing radical about this.

Janice E Habermehl's avatar

"The next chapter of the Democratic Party shouldn’t be written by the loudest, smallest faction. It needs to be written by candidates who can reclaim our proud tradition of economic populism focused on working people – coupled with mainstream American values." IMHO you're describing the messages we're hearing from the progressives. The democratic "establishment" is NOT talking about focusing on the working people (they do not live with them) and they certainly do not live up to mainstream American values. They are completely out of touch with everyday Americans--and their troubles--and are at a loss on how to reach them. Again, in my humble opinion.