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Stewart Gooderman O.D.'s avatar

Yes, there are members who are asking important questions, but without a majority they are landing on deaf ears. And I don't see Schumer or Jeffries doing ANYTHING. Jeffries in particular is a disappointment. He'll criticize Trump by saying what Trump is saying is simply jot true instead of saying what needs to be said: TRUMP IS A LIAR. Trump and MAGATS play dirty. You wanna have an effect, get down into the dirt and fight dirty as well. The Obama mantra of "we aim high when they aim low DOES NOT WORK.

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EUWDTB's avatar

Look deeper.

Schumer single-handedly blocked the government shutdown that Trump and Musk absolutely wanted, which allowed SO many Democrats to file an unprecedented number of lawsuits against Trump, and they're winning most of them.

If you study the history of fascism, you'll see that things like these are VITAL to resist and slow down its installation.

And no, democracy is not an end goal, it's a means, it is the way you fight. As history has proven. Too many on the left today seem to want a dictatorship too. That will never ever work.

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Stewart Gooderman O.D.'s avatar

I strongly disagree with you. I WANTED the shut down. I would suggest you look even deeper. Every time we had a shutdown, guess who was blamed: REPUBLICANS. And the only way people rally to your side is when they are hurt directly. And Democrats aren’t winning most of them. Just look at yesterday’s Supreme Court rulings. They are losing all the big important ones.

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EUWDTB's avatar

That's not looking deeper, it's ignoring the fact that today, the GOP is INSTALLING FASCISM. So we're in a situation that is totally incomparable with previous shutdowns.

You need to look at the concrete consequences of a shutdown DURING the installation, and not in terms of poll numbers (who will be blamed for it) but in terms of the longterm impact on the possibility to ever restore democracy.

Study what just happened in Poland, to have a concrete example.

In Poland, a neofascist party installed fascism for 8 years. In general, history shows, you need about a decade to transition fully from democracy to fascism. So the process was almost complete.

Then, people voted for a pro-democracy coalition again. What happened next? Most judges are still pro-fascism, and the leader of the executive is still a fascist so... most bills passed by a democratic Congress are blocked. So much so that people start to get impatient again, and with the media still largely controlled by fascist propaganda, a small majority is now blaming Democrats for not making their lives better fast enough so... they just voted for a fascist as head of state AGAIN, which of course will only make things worse.

Preventing THIS from happening should be our first priority. And it's exactly why we couldn't possibly afford a government shutdown. Under a government shutdown, everything that fascists WANT to do in terms of destruction of government institutions would have become 100% legal. So it might as well have taken DECADES to recover from that, IF Schumer would have given them what they wanted.

By refusing to cave, he allowed Democrats and everyone else to strongly slow down the destruction process, which is VITAL to make sure that democracy can be restored asap.

It may take a while before the American people (notoriously ill-informed and cynical by now, on both sides of the political spectrum) get this, which is why it was SUCH a courageous decision. It also proves that Schumer has the wisdom needed to NOT put his personal career before the wellbeing of the entire country. And that is EXACTLY the type of leadership we absolutely need right now.

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Stewart Gooderman O.D.'s avatar

I still don’t agree with you.

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EUWDTB's avatar

I'm sorry, but I merely summed up some basic facts. If you think these aren't facts, what's the evidence refuting them... ?

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Stewart Gooderman O.D.'s avatar

Their your opinions, not facts.

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EUWDTB's avatar

You forgot the "evidence" part...

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Stewart Gooderman O.D.'s avatar

You talk about fascism and democracy like it’s a science. It is a science it’s a concept. So I will no longer engage with your erroneous assumptions. This is it.

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EUWDTB's avatar

Obviously, by now we have almost a century of science of fascism and its difference with democracy behind us.

What do you think historians do, if it's not producing scientifically proven knowledge of the past... ?

And Western democracy was invented by Aristotle, 2,500 years ago, and then given its current, modern form (the separation of the three branches of government) by Montesquieu, a few centuries ago (a French intellectual). It's his definition that the Founding Fathers took over.

If you haven't heard about any of this yet: no problem, THAT is not your fault. But NOW is the time to start informing yourself, in that case, before it's too late.

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