What makes you think Rule of Law and Court Rulings will be followed by a CONVICTED FELON In Cheif, with assistance from 6 SC Justices (3 which are straight up MAGA Heritage groomed unfit Partisan Judges) that empowered him and Musk last June with the Chevron & POTUS Immunity Ruling!? Shit, Musk has NOT showed up to ONE Congressional Hear…
What makes you think Rule of Law and Court Rulings will be followed by a CONVICTED FELON In Cheif, with assistance from 6 SC Justices (3 which are straight up MAGA Heritage groomed unfit Partisan Judges) that empowered him and Musk last June with the Chevron & POTUS Immunity Ruling!? Shit, Musk has NOT showed up to ONE Congressional Hearing requested for EVERY ILLEGAL ACTION he has done the past 7 weeks.
So, what matters to move 350 million Americans in joining a OPPOSITION MOVEMENT to Con-Felon 'Rump & First Nazi Musk, EASY GOOD OLD FASHIONED FEET PLANTED, NO BOWING DOWN, RESISTANCE AND DEMONSTRATED PROTEST TO EVERY AUTOCRATIC ACTION BY THIS CRIMINAL FUCK TRUMP.
Chuck is playing a 1995 "politics" game while 'Rump & Musk have already DESTROYED POLITICS AS USUAL moves, also if Revolution is needed that is the next step, call ‘Rump’s bluff, he tried to Bully Canada, Mexico, the EU with his idiotic Trump Tax Increase Tariff’s WHICH IS BACKFIRING AS THE MARKET & CONSUMER SPENDING TANKS and Trudeau & Scheinbuam HELD STRONG, then attacking the brave President of Ukraine Zelenskyy and that back fired too. GET A CLUE FROM OUR FORMER ALLIES FIGHTING BACK TO ‘RUMP CHUCK!! YOU DON’T BACKDOWN TO BULLIES, YOU PUNCH THEM SQUARE IN THE NOSE!
Yup, every one of our Allied neighbors Leaders and NATO Allies are fighting back to the Bully 'Rump, while dipshit Chuck thinks he can curry voter favor from every American hurt by this AWFUL CRIMINALLY OFFENSIVE MAGAG BILL (which was already fucking budgeted by both Dem & MAGA Mike Johnson) when many folks will suffer as SS, Medicare & Medicaid get gutted.
Chuck is a corpo-schmuck 100%. New "FIGHTING HOW THEY FIGHT" DEM LEADERS NEEDED ASAP. This does not mean lowering our core values of supporting ALL working class Americans, Vets, Seniors, poor families/kids, good Govt. Programs, Labor Unions, Public Education, and yes DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION that 'Rump & Musk are attacking on all fronts. We have a deep bench too, drop the Corpo Dems fucked up political model that got us here, make our own Populist Dem Big Tent Party starting now because what 'Rump & Musk have started with Project 2025 in full action is only gonna get worse, and everyone affected that isn't die hard MAGA Cult will need an Opposition Fighting Big Tent Party to fight these bullies with.
Kenneth you are right so I’m not disagreeing with you THERE IS A ROADMAP out of this shit. Yet I don’t know how much human nature has really changed in my last seventy years. I believe that the general public is too scared to move.
I have stood up and marched since I have been seven years old it gets better but never do the people get every thing they want since I have lived. I have the good old Polaroid shots of meeting Martin Luther King Jr, Angela Davis and several Vietnam War demonstrations. Here’s what I learned from being a daughter of a holocaust survivors and being a member of the Quaker Community. I’m not bringing in religious beliefs but the Quakers were the first to organize against the Puritan community, native Americans rights Slavery,civil war,Vietnam,civil rights just to name a few. I know our family was drawn to them because they preach activism for humanity as we speak they are boots on the ground in Ukraine reason know one is acknowledged is because they practice in “ silence “ they will not fight in anger. Actually all humans get extremely clever thoughts when they lose the anger. From every thing I have learned from my parents and grandparents stories we are in the wheel of fascism. My grandmother made me keep a journal of her stories they are bone chilling then and reality today. The way they survived is they knew their community they worked together they made rules of their own. Number one rule is “ unity of we the people “ yes that means people who voted for Trump we cannot dwell on pass we could never rely ever on politicians to get us out of it s the job of we the people not our representatives. Yes we can all have our differences yet we must put them aside each community must start now public library public parks are good meeting spots to start we are even trying Walmart parking lot. We got six people at our first meeting but keep planning three months ago we started and we are now 43 and growing it’s not like the good old days when you just followed a poster.. I hope this helps you
Great reply Carin! Great Actions taken locally which is sound advice. We are seeing the protests and town halls grow every week to defy what 'Rump & Musk & the MAGA Congress are doing. One thing is we are not seeing alot of the 3 younger generations - Millennial, Z, Alpha at these pissed off GOP MAGA County rallies, it's mostly older Gen-X my gen (well those that aren't MAGA ugh) and Civil Rights Era Baby Boomers like yourself are on the front lines right now!
Like you said, folks that are in denial with what Con-Felon Dick-tator 'Rump does EVERY DAY that is Anti-Constitutional, must be living moderately comfy rich lives and are not gonna be affected by all the bullshit DOGE is doing to destroy a working Govt. STRICTLY TO FLEECE IT AND ENRICHING MUSK EVEN MORE!
But they will be affected in some way indirectly whether they like it or not.
We need to see the MASSIVE France like People Protests and other countries do when the Fascist have tried to rise up, like what is happening to oppose 'Rump's Autocrat buddy Orban in Belarus right now, they are DONE with that evil prick Orban.
Entirely false, it's you guys who imagine that this is business as usual.
Look at your arguments: all that you propose is to "take a stand".
If they don't pass the CR, Musk will be able to destroy all agencies in all legality. If they pass the CR, he will be legally forced to keep agencies open.
Look at what happened in Poland when neofascists did the same thing: it takes DECADES to rebuild a democracy if you let them destroy it all first. And throughout those decades, we need highly informed voters who don't lose patience with their government, which will continue to be ineffective for a long time, rather than voting for neofascists again.
Conclusion: Schumer, as usual, is the only one truly aware of the consequences of not voting for this CR. So he's 100% right.
I wrote a letter to Schumer to thank him for his decision. If he ever reads it who knows but the point is today everyone thinks they are “RIGHT” I don’t understand your comment on all we say is to “ take a stand” business as usual ? . Our point is to get out and meet your community in what ever fashion you like. It’s not like you’re an over night hero by doing something it’s that you keep daily doing something . The difference from the 1960s and seventies is Trump automatically closed the colleges down for activism which is ludicrous perhaps because the only film footage from that era was taken by media as an easy story at colleges. Yet today with our technology it can be easily accessible from your couch. My view and yes it’s my opinion not saying it’s right or wrong is that since Musk and Trump went cleaning the government out it will take decades to even get started again our social security checks have already this month have not come so have many of our friends at seventy with no explanations I was removed from Medicare B and now charge me $185 for Medicare A which they claim comes out of my social security checks. I have fourth stage cancer my doctors are horrified I’m one of hundreds in their practice that must stop care. Our grandson who is autistic his programs will no longer be continuing he was removed from Medicaid. He had a terrible toothache the other day cost me $750 in cash to fix and the dentist told me he was doing us a favor it usually cost $2000. This all happened in nine days
All irrelevant. The only thing that counts is: are we saving democracy or caving to Trump and giving him the legal right to destroy all US agencies (which is what not voting for the CR would do)? Schumer opts for saving democracy rather than caving to Trump.
That's because without CR, we can no longer file lawsuits against them and have the courts force them to keep the agencies open. WITH CR, they continue to be legally obliged to keep them open. So we need that CR, even though it's a VERY bad one.
Schumer was actually right to do this. IMAGINE if the gov was entirely shut down right now. They would have accelerated their authoritarian grab, dems blames for shutting down the gov, everyone fired, no Repubs able to vote against (finally) the tariffs. Let them own this CR
This is why we can't miss the forest for the trees. And yes OF COURSE the CR is horrible, but we need to be strategic for the moment we are in. Having closed the gov right now would have accelerated the authoritarian takeover.
Too simplistic. If we ever want to be EFFECTIVE in preserving democracy, we first have to pause and THINK. Just running around frantically and yelling "no!" isn't exactly the most effective way to fight back against an enemy who has a real plan and has most of the political power in DC right now.
So, just think for a moment. How many lawsuits have been filed by now? Almost as many as the number of lawsuits filed in Trump's entire first term. How many of those have we won? Most of them.
Why does the history of fascism show that this is VITAL? Because fascist destruction tends to be quite irreversible. So it's BECAUSE this is not 1995 that we need a very different take on shutdowns, you see?
It's BECAUSE this is not just a policy disagreement but the installation of fascism that we cannot possibly legalize it, which is exactly what a shutdown would do. Schumer is way ahead of you in his thinking here. So the first question to ask yourself is: WHAT are your counterarguments against HIS arguments? In other words, why would you want to help a neofascist government in its destruction of democracy? Any idea?
What makes you think Rule of Law and Court Rulings will be followed by a CONVICTED FELON In Cheif, with assistance from 6 SC Justices (3 which are straight up MAGA Heritage groomed unfit Partisan Judges) that empowered him and Musk last June with the Chevron & POTUS Immunity Ruling!? Shit, Musk has NOT showed up to ONE Congressional Hearing requested for EVERY ILLEGAL ACTION he has done the past 7 weeks.
So, what matters to move 350 million Americans in joining a OPPOSITION MOVEMENT to Con-Felon 'Rump & First Nazi Musk, EASY GOOD OLD FASHIONED FEET PLANTED, NO BOWING DOWN, RESISTANCE AND DEMONSTRATED PROTEST TO EVERY AUTOCRATIC ACTION BY THIS CRIMINAL FUCK TRUMP.
Chuck is playing a 1995 "politics" game while 'Rump & Musk have already DESTROYED POLITICS AS USUAL moves, also if Revolution is needed that is the next step, call ‘Rump’s bluff, he tried to Bully Canada, Mexico, the EU with his idiotic Trump Tax Increase Tariff’s WHICH IS BACKFIRING AS THE MARKET & CONSUMER SPENDING TANKS and Trudeau & Scheinbuam HELD STRONG, then attacking the brave President of Ukraine Zelenskyy and that back fired too. GET A CLUE FROM OUR FORMER ALLIES FIGHTING BACK TO ‘RUMP CHUCK!! YOU DON’T BACKDOWN TO BULLIES, YOU PUNCH THEM SQUARE IN THE NOSE!
100% right.
There is no time left to roll over.
It is:
THE FINAL RESISTANCE
Yup, every one of our Allied neighbors Leaders and NATO Allies are fighting back to the Bully 'Rump, while dipshit Chuck thinks he can curry voter favor from every American hurt by this AWFUL CRIMINALLY OFFENSIVE MAGAG BILL (which was already fucking budgeted by both Dem & MAGA Mike Johnson) when many folks will suffer as SS, Medicare & Medicaid get gutted.
Chuck is a corpo-schmuck 100%. New "FIGHTING HOW THEY FIGHT" DEM LEADERS NEEDED ASAP. This does not mean lowering our core values of supporting ALL working class Americans, Vets, Seniors, poor families/kids, good Govt. Programs, Labor Unions, Public Education, and yes DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION that 'Rump & Musk are attacking on all fronts. We have a deep bench too, drop the Corpo Dems fucked up political model that got us here, make our own Populist Dem Big Tent Party starting now because what 'Rump & Musk have started with Project 2025 in full action is only gonna get worse, and everyone affected that isn't die hard MAGA Cult will need an Opposition Fighting Big Tent Party to fight these bullies with.
Try to refute Schumer's arguments instead. That will be more helpful.
Kenneth you are right so I’m not disagreeing with you THERE IS A ROADMAP out of this shit. Yet I don’t know how much human nature has really changed in my last seventy years. I believe that the general public is too scared to move.
I have stood up and marched since I have been seven years old it gets better but never do the people get every thing they want since I have lived. I have the good old Polaroid shots of meeting Martin Luther King Jr, Angela Davis and several Vietnam War demonstrations. Here’s what I learned from being a daughter of a holocaust survivors and being a member of the Quaker Community. I’m not bringing in religious beliefs but the Quakers were the first to organize against the Puritan community, native Americans rights Slavery,civil war,Vietnam,civil rights just to name a few. I know our family was drawn to them because they preach activism for humanity as we speak they are boots on the ground in Ukraine reason know one is acknowledged is because they practice in “ silence “ they will not fight in anger. Actually all humans get extremely clever thoughts when they lose the anger. From every thing I have learned from my parents and grandparents stories we are in the wheel of fascism. My grandmother made me keep a journal of her stories they are bone chilling then and reality today. The way they survived is they knew their community they worked together they made rules of their own. Number one rule is “ unity of we the people “ yes that means people who voted for Trump we cannot dwell on pass we could never rely ever on politicians to get us out of it s the job of we the people not our representatives. Yes we can all have our differences yet we must put them aside each community must start now public library public parks are good meeting spots to start we are even trying Walmart parking lot. We got six people at our first meeting but keep planning three months ago we started and we are now 43 and growing it’s not like the good old days when you just followed a poster.. I hope this helps you
Great reply Carin! Great Actions taken locally which is sound advice. We are seeing the protests and town halls grow every week to defy what 'Rump & Musk & the MAGA Congress are doing. One thing is we are not seeing alot of the 3 younger generations - Millennial, Z, Alpha at these pissed off GOP MAGA County rallies, it's mostly older Gen-X my gen (well those that aren't MAGA ugh) and Civil Rights Era Baby Boomers like yourself are on the front lines right now!
Like you said, folks that are in denial with what Con-Felon Dick-tator 'Rump does EVERY DAY that is Anti-Constitutional, must be living moderately comfy rich lives and are not gonna be affected by all the bullshit DOGE is doing to destroy a working Govt. STRICTLY TO FLEECE IT AND ENRICHING MUSK EVEN MORE!
But they will be affected in some way indirectly whether they like it or not.
We need to see the MASSIVE France like People Protests and other countries do when the Fascist have tried to rise up, like what is happening to oppose 'Rump's Autocrat buddy Orban in Belarus right now, they are DONE with that evil prick Orban.
Entirely false, it's you guys who imagine that this is business as usual.
Look at your arguments: all that you propose is to "take a stand".
If they don't pass the CR, Musk will be able to destroy all agencies in all legality. If they pass the CR, he will be legally forced to keep agencies open.
Look at what happened in Poland when neofascists did the same thing: it takes DECADES to rebuild a democracy if you let them destroy it all first. And throughout those decades, we need highly informed voters who don't lose patience with their government, which will continue to be ineffective for a long time, rather than voting for neofascists again.
Conclusion: Schumer, as usual, is the only one truly aware of the consequences of not voting for this CR. So he's 100% right.
I wrote a letter to Schumer to thank him for his decision. If he ever reads it who knows but the point is today everyone thinks they are “RIGHT” I don’t understand your comment on all we say is to “ take a stand” business as usual ? . Our point is to get out and meet your community in what ever fashion you like. It’s not like you’re an over night hero by doing something it’s that you keep daily doing something . The difference from the 1960s and seventies is Trump automatically closed the colleges down for activism which is ludicrous perhaps because the only film footage from that era was taken by media as an easy story at colleges. Yet today with our technology it can be easily accessible from your couch. My view and yes it’s my opinion not saying it’s right or wrong is that since Musk and Trump went cleaning the government out it will take decades to even get started again our social security checks have already this month have not come so have many of our friends at seventy with no explanations I was removed from Medicare B and now charge me $185 for Medicare A which they claim comes out of my social security checks. I have fourth stage cancer my doctors are horrified I’m one of hundreds in their practice that must stop care. Our grandson who is autistic his programs will no longer be continuing he was removed from Medicaid. He had a terrible toothache the other day cost me $750 in cash to fix and the dentist told me he was doing us a favor it usually cost $2000. This all happened in nine days
All irrelevant. The only thing that counts is: are we saving democracy or caving to Trump and giving him the legal right to destroy all US agencies (which is what not voting for the CR would do)? Schumer opts for saving democracy rather than caving to Trump.
That's because without CR, we can no longer file lawsuits against them and have the courts force them to keep the agencies open. WITH CR, they continue to be legally obliged to keep them open. So we need that CR, even though it's a VERY bad one.
Schumer was actually right to do this. IMAGINE if the gov was entirely shut down right now. They would have accelerated their authoritarian grab, dems blames for shutting down the gov, everyone fired, no Repubs able to vote against (finally) the tariffs. Let them own this CR
This is why we can't miss the forest for the trees. And yes OF COURSE the CR is horrible, but we need to be strategic for the moment we are in. Having closed the gov right now would have accelerated the authoritarian takeover.
I love Meidas but they were wrong here.
Too simplistic. If we ever want to be EFFECTIVE in preserving democracy, we first have to pause and THINK. Just running around frantically and yelling "no!" isn't exactly the most effective way to fight back against an enemy who has a real plan and has most of the political power in DC right now.
So, just think for a moment. How many lawsuits have been filed by now? Almost as many as the number of lawsuits filed in Trump's entire first term. How many of those have we won? Most of them.
Why does the history of fascism show that this is VITAL? Because fascist destruction tends to be quite irreversible. So it's BECAUSE this is not 1995 that we need a very different take on shutdowns, you see?
It's BECAUSE this is not just a policy disagreement but the installation of fascism that we cannot possibly legalize it, which is exactly what a shutdown would do. Schumer is way ahead of you in his thinking here. So the first question to ask yourself is: WHAT are your counterarguments against HIS arguments? In other words, why would you want to help a neofascist government in its destruction of democracy? Any idea?