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DutchieLaRue's avatar

This is what I have been thinking on. I’m in the process of writing to my Governor, Gavin Newsom, to suggest a plan for all blue state Governors coming together to stop/block any taxes from leaving their states. California alone is the 5th largest economy in the world, and as Canada has begun an assault on the constituencies that voted the 🍊🤡 into office, blue states can start doing the same and keep all taxes collected in the states with no funding going to red states. Republicans would never be able to hide the fact that most red states are literal welfare states and are funded by the successful running of blue states under Democratic Governors. The maga haze and the blinding curtain of maga lies will effectively and factually be ripped away for everyone to see the world over.

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Beth's avatar

I'm from NH. I wrote Governor Newsom a letter last week, suggesting the same thing. The only thing that Trump and Musk understand is money. The way things are going, it feels as though my measly tax dollars are going to directly and indirectly land in Musk and Trumps pockets. So, I've been fantasizing the idea of a nation wide tax revolt. If Dems and Independents refrained from filing taxes, that would be less money to finance their whims. The reduced number of IRS workers would be hard-pressed to come after our us.

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Terron's avatar

Pay the same amount as Rump did. $750 total for the year(s).

Keep your money till the bill comes due. And then send $750 along with an IOU, to be paid when sanity reigns your country, not King and Queen Mump.

Ter from Canada

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

I’d love to delay paying taxes so no money goes to the 🍊🤡🎪 admin and into the billionaires pockets however, you will get fines and penalties that add interest compounded everyday you don’t pay, here in CA that is fact. I believe we would have an enormous blue state fund that could bankroll many great programs to make life more than livable for our blue state people if every Dem Governor came together to stand against tyranny and fascism.

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Becca's avatar

Also, change W-2 at work to deductions that are the number of people on your IRS form. Change from 0 to 1, 2, 3 4 whatever the number you claim on IRS form, so they take less taxes out of your pay, and file an estimated tax every quarter just keep up with what you may owe. ME-I am retired and only do estimated tax payments every quarter and once trump/GOP got elected I never paid my last installment and fiddled with my taxable income before 12/31/2024 enough so I only owe $95.

Next year, I will do no estimated taxes and pay that penalty or pay less than I should as I plan for end of year IRS taxes

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

This is very interesting and informative, things I will be looking into for myself!

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Becca's avatar

I never got a tax refund in my life. But, I am a good saver of the extra tax money in my pay check.

Estimated taxes are super easy and you can do them online in lots of places.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Unfortunately, I think you are wrong. What Trump and Musk want isn't more money, it's power. And for Trump, it's also adulation.

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Oaktown's avatar

Money is what gives them power and they care very much about wielding that power.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Absolutely correct. But they have so much money, there's very little that can affect the money-power connection. Musk has approx. 392,000,000,000 USD. Do you think losing a few million -- or even 100 million -- will make any difference to him? It might hurt his ego a little -- maybe even a lot -- but it won't change how much power he has.

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Oaktown's avatar

True, but one can always hope the old saying holds: A fool and his money are soon parted.

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Becca's avatar

It is doable but difficult. People would have to be educated about how and why changes to the way you do your IRS taxes can give away less to Red States and do good at the same time. IF you itemize your deductions on IRS forms with property/car tax, state sales/local taxes or state income tax, etc. every contribution to a qualified charity is deductible-most often up to 60% of your AGI.-have to check that out if you donate big amounts. Every $1 you give will reduce the IRS taxes you owe and you will support a charity that tries to better peoples' lives. I'm not going to live forever and I'm more worried about our nation than I am about inheritances for relatives at this point. WE are in a COUP. Perhaps, state income taxes could allow more of a tax credit for charities that work for the benefit of that state's population to offset the amount people give to charities. I'm not a tax expert but have done my own taxes for decades and have studied the few loopholes an ordinary person can still use. Blue donor states can manipulate their income taxes to keep more wealth/benefit in-state. VT has 4 Charities with VT children, veterans, environment, non-game wildlife listed that help keep VT $$ at home and lower your IRS taxes if you itemize.

Taxes have become much more complicated over the decades but adding another wrinkle is doable and keep your $$ at home.

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

This really needs to be discussed and brought to the attention of all blue state governors

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

I'd really like to see California, Oregon, and Washington break away from the rest of the U.S. That's one of the few things that might get the attention of the red states: having to rely completely on their own revenues. Unfortunately, very unlikely to happen.

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

I’m hoping a blue state blockade will be the education of a lifetime for our country

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D Boyle's avatar

Nothing is for certain.😉

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Correct! And I very much hope I am wrong here. I think the possibility of secession would be much higher if we didn't have the red states separating the Blue coasts. Pity about the geography!

And speaking of coasts, can anyone tell me why the MAGAs, who supposedly hate the coastal "elites," love Trump? He's the very definition of one. Guess that's another MAGA thing, totally unencumbered by the thought process.

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Kim Hart's avatar

like your comment so much. I wish California could join Canada.

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

We here in California have the utmost respect for Canada and for all the support and care we’ve been given during the horrendous Southern California wildfires. I wouldn’t mind a coming together for California and Canada.

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Elisa's avatar

Funny thing, I was thinking of the same! Main reason is that with the authoritarian removal of services and assurances, what do we need a federal government for? After all, Trump is so sure that Russia and China wouldn't attack us because they want peace. Therefore, we states should keep our taxes because we won't be provided with environmental protection, education oversight, resources, etc.

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