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Becca's avatar

We the People can vote to SECEDE-because the ratification by states centuries ago to join a United States under a law/order, Constitutional republic is voided by the breach of our social contracts by the USA.

Does contract law cover this?

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Deb's avatar

I’ve been floating the idea to friends that MI, MN, WI, IL band together and secede to Canada, taking Great Lakes Michigan, Superior and Huron with us. Might have to purchase (?) a few counties in IN to complete the deal? but perhaps worth noodling on? Just a thought.

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

Great thoughts and ideas form plans that can change our country for the better!

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Seceding is a wonderful idea, but realize that "We the People" includes all the people who voted for Trump. The answer to your question is NO.

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Becca's avatar

I realize what you say is true, but Blue Donor states would vote to secede by majority state voters. I do not want to fund low state income taxed Red States. They purposely fund little of their own programs so FEDS give them more money. Meanwhile, with low state income taxes they attract businesses and wealthy tax evaders.

CA, NY, VT, MA, NJ, CT, OR, CO, WA would all probably vote to secede. Whether it would be successful or not, it is worth a try!

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

I really like the idea of Blue states seceding, but what do you do about having non-contiguous states in the seceding group? I can see people in the 2 coastal areas pulling it together -- though some people in eastern OR want that part of the state to become part of ID -- but I'm guessing CO, stuck in a sea of red states, would find it tough to get the idea of secession supported. Not necessarily for ideological reasons but for geographical ones.

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Becca's avatar

Very true! IMO! Roadblocks would be put up literally and figuratively but disruption, Resistance, creative ways to show the power of the People is the point of it all. For every action there can be an equal and opposite reaction to Red State oppression on Blue Island states like CO.

Red states around a Blue Island may be treated as a foreign country but likewise trade, etc. within the Blue islands would impose similar roadblocks. This of course means We must sacrifice until We can't anymore. But, remember the sacrifices of the millions, trillions of our previous Colonists, Americans who preserve our self rule for almost 250 years. If We cannot meet their measure, We don't deserve freedom to act, freedom to speak, freedom of religion, law/order to protect us and our nation from abuse of powers. Every generation is responsible for passing our freedoms, quest for true equality, justice for all, pursuit of happiness and a more perfect Union of our making to the next generation.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Oh, Becca. Trillions of colonists? There are only around 8.2 billion people in the world today. You've gone down the rabbit hole of hyperbole and lost believability.

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Becca's avatar

Oh, Dik. Are you having fun with your snarky comment "rabbit hole of hyperbole and lost believability." A trillion is equal to one million millions. I implied Colonists AND Americans not just Colonists. Almost 4 million people die here every year and our population still grows larger. Math is was not my major but I think I could prove a trillion Americans/Colonists/Slaves lived before me.

If I have lost credibility in my rabbit hole, just disregard my comments. Peace and so long.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

From the World Economic Forum: Demographers estimate that 109 billion people have lived and died over the course of 192,000 years. If we add the number of people alive today, we get 117 billion humans that have ever lived. Prior to that starting point, human population probably numbered around 30,000, but as no one was doing a census, that's an approximation.

Note that that's the entire population of the earth, not just Americans/Colonists/Slaves. However, if you can do better and prove the number for those 3 groups is a trillion, go for it.

I shall do as you suggest and disregard your comments in the future.

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Becca's avatar

Good to know in my rabbit hole. I look forward to your disregard.

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DutchieLaRue's avatar

More information for the blue state governor blockade to exist!! Thank you

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Steve's avatar

When all these lawsuits against Trump are decided by the supreme court, we will definitely know then where we stand.

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Dik de Bruijn's avatar

Pretty sure the (un)Conservative (un)Justices will do whatever favors Trump.

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