There are a lot of other folks that don't either, including this older white woman. No corporate media for me. Journalism is basically dead there. On TV especially, you just have news "readers" and opinion talkers all doing their best to boost their ratings ($$). Print / digital corporate media is just as bad.
Ditto, Sandra and Heidi. The Fourth Estate is crucial to our trying to use democracy.
He called it "fake news," and then made it faker. Cue Fox and X.
The media trounced Biden for his pathetic stumble in the debate, but went on to declare Trump the winner. I defy any intelligent person to read the entire response by Trump in that debate to the question (twice asked!) of what he'd do about the opioid crisis and conclude he won the debate. He rambled with trite slogans and never answered in any way. They both lost the debate, and we lost a fair reporting about it.
We need to justly reaffirm the value of journalists and politicians both, but because they're serving the truth. Mika and Joe can start by explaining why they went and reporting on what they encountered. Good for Meidas for calling them on it, but give them their due if they explain.
He didn't debate. Biden answered the questions. TRUMP DIDN'T, with one exception: when asked for THE THIRD TIME if he would accept the election results if he lost, Trump said, after having to stop and think a moment, "Absolutely. If it is a fair and honest election." Which means if he doesn't think it is fair, more insurrectionist will rain down. The rest of the time he spent deriding Biden ans spouting bullshit.
He never argues intelligently. He uses insult, ridicule, and totalistic false dichomities to "weave" an answer only the gullible would take as intelligent. Sadly, it worked better than intelligent argumentation would have. The gullibles prevailed. They "think" with tribal loyalty.
The mainstream media let us down by broadcasting his stupidity as if reasonable and normative. Trying to be neutral, they betrayed their profession and us.
They explained. But I find their explanation totally inadequate. Did you see how they praised Trump on his great election, etc. according to trump, which they didnтАЩt deny? Clearly, a trip to Mar-a-largo is kissing his ring and a- -.
The election was no doubt helped by Russia and there are many questions about it so should be some audits and recounts in swing states!
I cancelled not just MSNBC and CNN, but Comcast in its entirety in 2018. The BBC, Atlantic, AP and now MediasTouch, MuellerSheWrote and many high quality others are here for it. 70, White, rolling up my sleeves. Shame on Mika and Joe, but they became performers years ago
I think anyone out there who has any kind of service ties with Comcast, needs to cancel their contract or ride it out until its completion and cut ties.
We have a 6 yr contract with Comcast at my Condo Association. I think we have 2 years left. The prior board locked us into that contract. Once it ends thats it for me
Yeah...that'll help. Leave TV News---where like it or not, MOST Americans get most of their information---to the conservatives and hurt the ONE center-left cable channel available. Think this out before you cut off your nose to spite your face.
Joe and Mika and others are not doing their job. There are other platforms now that DO. I'm not heading into an uninformed abyss just because I don't watch MSNBC
We, too, are childless by choice and just happily celebrated our 31st wedding anniversary last month. Our children consist of the two pigs pictured to the left, one horse, 2 cats and one big pup.
I'm with you.This older white woman was appalled when I listened to Joe and Mika and immediately disengaged from the msnbc network and deleted the app as well.Enough is enough!!!
In my 80's. I have been appalled by the whole campaign coverage. I don't watch any news coverage on TV. All most every newscaster wants me to believe what they say not what I see.
They sucked before; now they totally suck. Fascists They Are!! There is no excuse for their betrayal of the U.S. They know what's coming. If this was the 1930's, it would be like paying a visit to AH to kiss the ring.
Cowards, plastic people;.and, willing to sell out everything they've said they stood for over the last 7/8 years. How easy it seems it is for them to fold up; and, run away. Not surprising. I never really believed they would keep their word. Probably they would have been fired from MSNBC if they didn't go to Mara Largo and kiss his ......! Not a shred of integrity between them!
Over 1 million Americans didnтАЩt survive Covid and many more have long term affects. Not the best analogy, or maybe itтАЩs the most accurate comparison.
Don't you think that we should be engaging with him now? So that the reporting about him is done from the first person and not bases on what fox news says? Maybe I'm confused but it seems to me that they are doing the hard thing.
You will never get fair reporting from either cable news network. CNN, Fox, and MSNBC have been bought by right wing owners. Better turn to independent journalist, like substack.
The media, especially the NYT, and others are baked in misogyny. It drips off their journalist's fingertips onto the pages. They need to make their billionaire neoliberal oligarch owners happy.
Yes, told go to the dragon's lair at Mara Largo or you're fired! See what they chose, they have 0 integrity. Not a shred of integrity between them! Cowards, they are!
Not so. Do you think the "evil liberal deep state media" makes this shit up? Exposing his lunacy, fascism, lying, corruption, philandering, PREJUDICE, GREED, treason, hatred, vitriol and all then rest by reporting ON WHAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH, HIS VERY OWN MOUTH, is a lot closer to journalism than the bullshit drumbeating Fox puts out there.
They can report without literally going to his house to beg him to play nice. After all he's done? We shouldn't compromise on taking people's rights away or the criminal and politically motivated circumvention of justice he has perpetrated. You compromise on tax brackets, budget items, not whether we should give the dictator more air time on our show so our network can profit. What they did was morally wrong and they border on complicity.
They don't need to go to MaraLardo. They need to report the news. No spin. No MAGA bullshit. If Dump talks about using the military to wipe out his political enemies, you report Dump will use the military to wipe out his enemies. You know, report exactly what he says. msm won't do that. Fvck them. I am a 71yo woman. I watched Dan Rather, etc. Even Huntley-Brinkley as a kid because my dad watched them. They reported news. They were journalists, not ass kissers. Last time I watched Fox was shock and awe and WMDs. Now it's just Meidas and a few other indies here and on BlueSky. That's enough.
Madam, what you just wrote was very ill-informed. I see the possible morality in what you are saying, however, this has nothing to do with "reporting". This was solely to bend the knee to the new Emperor, and even in doing so does not guarantee that Comcast will be left alone, and knowing that the former "Morning Joe" audience will now leave them, it's not likely Mika and Joe will be highly paid in the near future.
I feel badly (at least at the moment) for all of the talent that still works for or are regular contributors to MSNBC: If they stay, they are fools, but if they leave, where can they go?
Better to leave with your integrity and moral compass intact. It didn't work out too well for the "talent" that clung to AH in the 1930's and 1940's. Those folks went down in history as traitors. Joe and Mika are pathetic, no other words for what they did to save their own skin and lucretive jobs.
The facts are that they traveled to Mar a Lago, that they made nice with trump, and that trump has previously threatened to pull their FCC license. How can you say we donтАЩt have FACTS?
You know what? I didnтАЩt see that in these posts. Some either I missed it, entirely possible, or someone might have referenced it. In a, you know, nice way.
When I first saw a clip of this earlier today, my reaction was..let me think about this. I've come to this conclusion: If Joe and Mika think of themselves as part of the media (which they are), then it would be fine to do an interview with him. But that's not what they did. Instead, they went there at a personal level. No camera, no recording, no telling their audience what was really said, and probably not really any questions, especially any hard questions. That tells me they were trying to stay off his "enemies list."
No, they aren't doing the hard thing. They are doing the cowardly thing. Shame on them for not doing their jobs.
Trump doesnтАЩt grant interviews that wonтАЩt be favorable to him. Also, why go to Mar-a-Lago? Do you think they visit the homes of any other President elect?
Sucking up to and normalizing insanity is not what we need. The hard thing they are doing is saving their job. LetтАЩs see how that works out with no viewers.
Oh you are so right! The blabber on Joe and Mika.was mind numbing! That was the purpose! I was constantly putting them on mute, the few times I watched the Morning Joe Show. Sometimes the guests were good. They had some other Hosts, I appreciated. But Joe was forever talking over people, especially Mika. Joe has issues. Not surprised they scurried to Mara Largo this quickly to kiss TFG's....! They betrayed everything they said they stood for; and, they can not erase that stain.
In the before times, maybe you would have a good point. However, since Trump attacked them both on a very personal level("Mika is ugly and stupid," "Joe is a murderer," etc.) and the fact that they know he is a liar and wants to be a dictator, why in the world would you even do this? Do they think he is going to start telling the truth all of a sudden? Actually, they just want the eyeballs on their program (ratings) when talking about the shit show.
I disagree with you. If you want to hear TrumpтАЩs own words, just listen to Fox News. HeтАЩs a frequent guest on most shows, and they publish his words daily. Or read his frequent truth social posts, which are reported by Meidas and many other independents.
This is a damn shame how this country doesn't care about a racist tyrant being President...this only confirmed what I've already knew that the United States continue to be a racist country. It's confirmed that many white people don't want to live in a multiracial society.
Agreed Deborah. As a black woman, I am done with the normalization and acceptance of the racism, sexism, etc. that has been on overdrive for the last 8 years. I have always followed trusted, black media. Doing so now more than ever before and forever. Roland, Don Lemon, Native Land Pod (Angela, Tiffany and Andrew), Sherrilyn Ifill, Eddie Glaude, etc. are the sources that fill my day in news, culture, etc. I will continue to view Joy Reid, Lawrence O'Donnell, Nicole Wallace, Rachel Maddow, The Weekend , Ali Velshi, Rev. Al Sharpton and Jonathan Capehart.
Yes shame on Joe and Mika. Basically you are saying that you are going to ride with a dictator to save your behind.
So again that is why Black women and men no longer trust this system.
There are a lot of other folks that don't either, including this older white woman. No corporate media for me. Journalism is basically dead there. On TV especially, you just have news "readers" and opinion talkers all doing their best to boost their ratings ($$). Print / digital corporate media is just as bad.
Ditto Heidi. And I'm white. Female, 73 y.o.
Ditto, Sandra and Heidi. The Fourth Estate is crucial to our trying to use democracy.
He called it "fake news," and then made it faker. Cue Fox and X.
The media trounced Biden for his pathetic stumble in the debate, but went on to declare Trump the winner. I defy any intelligent person to read the entire response by Trump in that debate to the question (twice asked!) of what he'd do about the opioid crisis and conclude he won the debate. He rambled with trite slogans and never answered in any way. They both lost the debate, and we lost a fair reporting about it.
We need to justly reaffirm the value of journalists and politicians both, but because they're serving the truth. Mika and Joe can start by explaining why they went and reporting on what they encountered. Good for Meidas for calling them on it, but give them their due if they explain.
He didn't debate. Biden answered the questions. TRUMP DIDN'T, with one exception: when asked for THE THIRD TIME if he would accept the election results if he lost, Trump said, after having to stop and think a moment, "Absolutely. If it is a fair and honest election." Which means if he doesn't think it is fair, more insurrectionist will rain down. The rest of the time he spent deriding Biden ans spouting bullshit.
He never argues intelligently. He uses insult, ridicule, and totalistic false dichomities to "weave" an answer only the gullible would take as intelligent. Sadly, it worked better than intelligent argumentation would have. The gullibles prevailed. They "think" with tribal loyalty.
The mainstream media let us down by broadcasting his stupidity as if reasonable and normative. Trying to be neutral, they betrayed their profession and us.
OmgтАФ-on the nose! How I feel.
I still canтАЩt get my mind around the legitimacy that mainstream media gives him. Yes him. Not Him.
They explained. But I find their explanation totally inadequate. Did you see how they praised Trump on his great election, etc. according to trump, which they didnтАЩt deny? Clearly, a trip to Mar-a-largo is kissing his ring and a- -.
The election was no doubt helped by Russia and there are many questions about it so should be some audits and recounts in swing states!
I cancelled not just MSNBC and CNN, but Comcast in its entirety in 2018. The BBC, Atlantic, AP and now MediasTouch, MuellerSheWrote and many high quality others are here for it. 70, White, rolling up my sleeves. Shame on Mika and Joe, but they became performers years ago
I think anyone out there who has any kind of service ties with Comcast, needs to cancel their contract or ride it out until its completion and cut ties.
We have a 6 yr contract with Comcast at my Condo Association. I think we have 2 years left. The prior board locked us into that contract. Once it ends thats it for me
Silently boycott them by not giving them your business and spreading the word. ThatтАЩll show тАЩem. ЁЯШЙ
Yeah...that'll help. Leave TV News---where like it or not, MOST Americans get most of their information---to the conservatives and hurt the ONE center-left cable channel available. Think this out before you cut off your nose to spite your face.
ThereтАЩs more than one way to skin a cat, killa. Expand your horizons a bit.
Joe and Mika and others are not doing their job. There are other platforms now that DO. I'm not heading into an uninformed abyss just because I don't watch MSNBC
Ditto Diana. I am white, female and almost 73 years old.
Ditto ! White 62yr old,ty MEIDAS !
Ditto. 71 year old white lady.
Same here. IтАЩm 73, used to watch MSNBC but stopped about 3 weeks ago. Shame on Mika and Joe and MSNBC leadership(?- if you can call it that now).
Me too, exactly! I'm beside myself with angst! Oh, and I'm childless, by choice. Happily married for over 30 years.
We, too, are childless by choice and just happily celebrated our 31st wedding anniversary last month. Our children consist of the two pigs pictured to the left, one horse, 2 cats and one big pup.
I'm done, free, white, in my 70s
Yup. This middle aged white woman, too. Thank goodness for outlets like Meidas Touch!
IтАЩm a fan..
100%. 70 y.o. here.
Ditto here, 70 yr old white female. I never did like them, never watched.
80yr old white woman agrees with disgusting msm and will be canceling my Spectrum services.
Any of my black sisters in their mid to older 50тАЩs in here. Nothing about msnbc EVER peaked my interest. And IтАЩm a news head.
IтАЩve heard heтАЩs a total jerk
I'm with you.This older white woman was appalled when I listened to Joe and Mika and immediately disengaged from the msnbc network and deleted the app as well.Enough is enough!!!
In my 80's. I have been appalled by the whole campaign coverage. I don't watch any news coverage on TV. All most every newscaster wants me to believe what they say not what I see.
Ditto, Heidi. 77 y/o white grandma/great grandma who only wants truth, integrity and loyalty to our constitution and country.
Watch PBS Newshour
Exactly, white, female, 70
I haven't yet come to understand how/why we rely on performers for information. You know, like the orange Jaba behind the Resolute.
No more Mika and Joe for me, they suck.
Ditto. Just unfollowed the show!
They sucked before; now they totally suck. Fascists They Are!! There is no excuse for their betrayal of the U.S. They know what's coming. If this was the 1930's, it would be like paying a visit to AH to kiss the ring.
Cowards, plastic people;.and, willing to sell out everything they've said they stood for over the last 7/8 years. How easy it seems it is for them to fold up; and, run away. Not surprising. I never really believed they would keep their word. Probably they would have been fired from MSNBC if they didn't go to Mara Largo and kiss his ......! Not a shred of integrity between them!
Well said,Carlette! I applaud you!ЁЯСПЁЯСП
White female and beyond fed up with this BS. No trust whatsoever.
Ditto. Shame on you Mika and Joe!
Anyone who has studied history knows that black women & men, immigrants, Indigenous peoples, have VERY little reason not to trust this system.
And we STAND TOGETHER.
I am an old lady, happen to be white, happen to side with all who have survived oppression.
CORRECTION: very little reason TO trust this system.
Understood what you meant the first time Pam and I agree!
Just remember friends. ALL GodтАЩs people are going to be alright. We survived COVID, we will survive this disease.
IтАЩm not your gods people and no, a lot of people did not survive Covid.
Not all of us believe in god, religion or the Bible.
Over 1 million Americans didnтАЩt survive Covid and many more have long term affects. Not the best analogy, or maybe itтАЩs the most accurate comparison.
Think we will survive bird fluЁЯдФ I vaccinate so I hope to! That is if we get a vaccine.
No. We didnтАЩt all survive!!!
Welcome to MSM's Vichy News.
Don't you think that we should be engaging with him now? So that the reporting about him is done from the first person and not bases on what fox news says? Maybe I'm confused but it seems to me that they are doing the hard thing.
You will never get fair reporting from either cable news network. CNN, Fox, and MSNBC have been bought by right wing owners. Better turn to independent journalist, like substack.
The media, especially the NYT, and others are baked in misogyny. It drips off their journalist's fingertips onto the pages. They need to make their billionaire neoliberal oligarch owners happy.
So do you think they were armtwisted by MSNBC to do this?
I think so. I would have quit first
Yes, told go to the dragon's lair at Mara Largo or you're fired! See what they chose, they have 0 integrity. Not a shred of integrity between them! Cowards, they are!
Yep.
Well, maybe they'll quit anyway- they'll probably end up happier if they do though. Also kind of sad & ironic
Yes. I do.
Absolutely
Not so. Do you think the "evil liberal deep state media" makes this shit up? Exposing his lunacy, fascism, lying, corruption, philandering, PREJUDICE, GREED, treason, hatred, vitriol and all then rest by reporting ON WHAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH, HIS VERY OWN MOUTH, is a lot closer to journalism than the bullshit drumbeating Fox puts out there.
They can report without literally going to his house to beg him to play nice. After all he's done? We shouldn't compromise on taking people's rights away or the criminal and politically motivated circumvention of justice he has perpetrated. You compromise on tax brackets, budget items, not whether we should give the dictator more air time on our show so our network can profit. What they did was morally wrong and they border on complicity.
They don't need to go to MaraLardo. They need to report the news. No spin. No MAGA bullshit. If Dump talks about using the military to wipe out his political enemies, you report Dump will use the military to wipe out his enemies. You know, report exactly what he says. msm won't do that. Fvck them. I am a 71yo woman. I watched Dan Rather, etc. Even Huntley-Brinkley as a kid because my dad watched them. They reported news. They were journalists, not ass kissers. Last time I watched Fox was shock and awe and WMDs. Now it's just Meidas and a few other indies here and on BlueSky. That's enough.
They are complicit; and, need to be held to account. Betrayal is an ugly thing! Mika and Joe have no courage, they folded like empty suits!!
I agree.
Me too. 72 and ready to march!
Madam, what you just wrote was very ill-informed. I see the possible morality in what you are saying, however, this has nothing to do with "reporting". This was solely to bend the knee to the new Emperor, and even in doing so does not guarantee that Comcast will be left alone, and knowing that the former "Morning Joe" audience will now leave them, it's not likely Mika and Joe will be highly paid in the near future.
I feel badly (at least at the moment) for all of the talent that still works for or are regular contributors to MSNBC: If they stay, they are fools, but if they leave, where can they go?
Better to leave with your integrity and moral compass intact. It didn't work out too well for the "talent" that clung to AH in the 1930's and 1940's. Those folks went down in history as traitors. Joe and Mika are pathetic, no other words for what they did to save their own skin and lucretive jobs.
I clearly don't know enough, and should not be commenting.
That's not true. You SHOULD comment.
Keeping to oneself when talking about this sort of thing is how MAGA won.
IтАЩm not sure anyone making comments here knows enough. Seems to be a lot of opinion, not a lot of irrefutable fact.
Anything wrong with expressing our opinions? Do we still have that freedom?
Some people don't think so. Too hell with that. I will be expressing my opinion!ЁЯШО
Good
She said she didnтАЩt know enough. To me, knowledge is about facts. Opine all you want. Jeez.
The facts are that they traveled to Mar a Lago, that they made nice with trump, and that trump has previously threatened to pull their FCC license. How can you say we donтАЩt have FACTS?
You know what? I didnтАЩt see that in these posts. Some either I missed it, entirely possible, or someone might have referenced it. In a, you know, nice way.
Also, if anyone wants to try to improve institutions like MSNBC instead of simply canceling them, you can send your opinion to Morning_Joe@MSNBC.com
ItтАЩs an irrefutable fact what they did and what they said, both recently and in the past. What more does one need to know to have informed opin?
Why did you?
Nope they are not. The hard thing is the real and right thing. Tell the darn truth.
When I first saw a clip of this earlier today, my reaction was..let me think about this. I've come to this conclusion: If Joe and Mika think of themselves as part of the media (which they are), then it would be fine to do an interview with him. But that's not what they did. Instead, they went there at a personal level. No camera, no recording, no telling their audience what was really said, and probably not really any questions, especially any hard questions. That tells me they were trying to stay off his "enemies list."
No, they aren't doing the hard thing. They are doing the cowardly thing. Shame on them for not doing their jobs.
Trump doesnтАЩt grant interviews that wonтАЩt be favorable to him. Also, why go to Mar-a-Lago? Do you think they visit the homes of any other President elect?
Sucking up to and normalizing insanity is not what we need. The hard thing they are doing is saving their job. LetтАЩs see how that works out with no viewers.
if they did actual reporting yes. I'm old enough to remember what that is. That is not what they were doing anyhow. It was all blabber and opinion.
Oh you are so right! The blabber on Joe and Mika.was mind numbing! That was the purpose! I was constantly putting them on mute, the few times I watched the Morning Joe Show. Sometimes the guests were good. They had some other Hosts, I appreciated. But Joe was forever talking over people, especially Mika. Joe has issues. Not surprised they scurried to Mara Largo this quickly to kiss TFG's....! They betrayed everything they said they stood for; and, they can not erase that stain.
Thats the purpose of ANY cable news, to optimize the bottom line.
Agree
Not to mention the very, very lucrative thing.
In the before times, maybe you would have a good point. However, since Trump attacked them both on a very personal level("Mika is ugly and stupid," "Joe is a murderer," etc.) and the fact that they know he is a liar and wants to be a dictator, why in the world would you even do this? Do they think he is going to start telling the truth all of a sudden? Actually, they just want the eyeballs on their program (ratings) when talking about the shit show.
They did the hard thing, but only to save their asses.
Joy unless they are going to be truthful. They canтАЩt tell it as bad as it is.
I agree
I disagree with you. If you want to hear TrumpтАЩs own words, just listen to Fox News. HeтАЩs a frequent guest on most shows, and they publish his words daily. Or read his frequent truth social posts, which are reported by Meidas and many other independents.
This is a damn shame how this country doesn't care about a racist tyrant being President...this only confirmed what I've already knew that the United States continue to be a racist country. It's confirmed that many white people don't want to live in a multiracial society.
Their fear was stoked by propaganda. Too bad they are so easily bamboozled.
Agreed Deborah. As a black woman, I am done with the normalization and acceptance of the racism, sexism, etc. that has been on overdrive for the last 8 years. I have always followed trusted, black media. Doing so now more than ever before and forever. Roland, Don Lemon, Native Land Pod (Angela, Tiffany and Andrew), Sherrilyn Ifill, Eddie Glaude, etc. are the sources that fill my day in news, culture, etc. I will continue to view Joy Reid, Lawrence O'Donnell, Nicole Wallace, Rachel Maddow, The Weekend , Ali Velshi, Rev. Al Sharpton and Jonathan Capehart.
I so agree with you! Thank you MTN for telling the truth!ЁЯТЩ
This one will never trust it again.
Many black and hidpanic men voted for DJT, look at the numbers. I guess they found they couldnтАЩt trust an intelligent and qualified Women.
White & brown folks too...anyone w/half a brain doesn't trust this system..it eats you alive & screaming.
Can't say as I blame you.. You are always trying to save our lives in spite of how stupid white people can be! "72y.o. white girl"
I am not Black just a women who is disappointed with a system that is falling apart. I don't think it has anything to do with race. It's money!